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ProfessorSkiSlopes ProfessorSkiSlopes
6 years ago
Day 42 - Plants are still recovering from the nutrient build-up catastrophe but are at least now showing signs of growth, and have stopped wilting. The next feed will be flowering nutrients: this is overdue but the whole flush disaster put off the nutrient change while I attempted to stabilise the pot environment. The plants are between 35cm and 57cm, with four of them being close to 48cm. Day 43 - Half way through day 42 light cycle I tried setting the grow room air system to recycling mode, by taking the ducting to the ceiling space off the Y joiner between the two tents. This allowed the carbon filtered air from the tents to flow back into the room and thusly back into the tents. Given winter is coming fast I wanted to see how the heat retention would be and what sort of humidity increase I could expect. I came back to a fairly warm, humd room at the start of Day 43 light cycle, and some very wilty unhappy plants. They perked up around 3 hours into the light cycle. It seems easy to assume it was the air quality change, the humidity did climb from around 65-70 to 80-85, but I don't have enough experience to know if its humidity or some lingering issue with the pot nutrient build up and final flush 4 days ago (as the wilt is identical to the wilting I got during the nutrient build-up). I am tempted to give the plants their well overdue flowering feed, but the pots are still pretty damp and feel quite heavy, like around 1/3 to 1/2 still full. They did get an almighty amount of water over 3 days during the flush (4 days ago), and my gut feeling is I should let them dry more before giving them more water and nutrients. As hard as it is, I'm going to hold back on feeding until them pots are drier. I will continue to battle on with this grow, although I must admit, part of me feels like just starting over. Luckily I have my second tent, so I am ok-ish to just keep-on keeping on with this grow and see where it goes. On the good side, I've managed since re-ducting back out to the roof space and tweaking the heater setup to get a constant 26c in both tents. The tent humidity is still around 70%, while the grow room humidity is around 60%. I have the extraction fan on full (198m3/hr), and the heater is shut-off as local ambient temp is around 19c so I don't need it turned on as the grow light produces sufficient heat to keep the tent air at 27c. I idly wonder if the high humidity from the recycling experiment temporarily stopped the plants transpiring, and that this caused the wilting, and now the 10% higher humidity in the tent is the result of them transpiring like mad to catch up. Here's hoping they suck that moisture out of the coco over the rest of the light cycle and get the pots dry enough to water, all without any further wilting. Crossing my fingers. I've just noticed while taking the photos that if I turn down the quantum boards to half power I get better photos that are showing a more true to life colour. DAY 44 - Well the plants were even more wilty today, looking really very unhappy. I guess my decision from day 43 was not the best choice. So as soon as the lights came on I proceeded with a 3/4 strength watering of the full gamut of flowering nutrient and additives. I watered through to a solid 30% run-off with 27c water. The plants are still wilting 8 hours into the daylight cycle. They must have got really dehydrated. I am so confused because the pots are not weighing as dry, and the top layer of coco is damp, so ithe plants don't feel dry. The 3/4 strength flowering nutrient feed I gave them today had a PH of 5.9 and a PPM of 1100. I watered each pot with approx 3.8 Litres of nutrient mix each, and I got about 1.1L in run-off per pot. The runoff had a PPM of 45-550 across all 8 plants. Because of the wilting, I've left them under 60% light intensity for the first half the light cycle. FOOTNOTE: To be brutally honest, I'm quite close to just chucking these plants are restarting the grow from scratch. I have more gorilla glue seeds about to arrive. I will give it another day or two, but fair warning, this diary may be concluded early. *sad face* Day 45 - The plants are looking better and seem to be recovering from the previous catastrophes. I'm feeling better. Day 46 - Wow the plants are looking way better, I'm seeing growth and a lovely deepening in their colour. I'm feeling really happy, and I think the plants have earned a reprieve from my earlier potential death sentence. I can't wait to see how they continue to grow now that their environment seems to be somewhat sorted out. I've started weighing a sample pot daily so I can measure the actual water consumption daily. When the plants wilted from dryness, they were weighing in at 5.2kg. After watering on Day 44 they went up to 7.7kg Today when I checked the pot weight it was at 6.2kg. Based on this I can see they are consuming around 0.7kg of water per day, so I will be watering them tomorrow and it looks like they are going to be on a 3 day watering cycle or less from here on out! It was very confusing because all the advice out there said don't water until the top inch of your coco gets dry but mine never did that. So I'm making the assumption the drying advice comes from HID environments which typically run hotter than LED environments. Day 47 - The plants did a big wilt over the day 46 night cycle again so I gave them another 75% strength feed today, but even as I did it I could tell they weren't dry enough to justify the wilt. The humidity is very high in my grow room, and it gets even higher (over 80%) during the night cycle, so I think maybe humidity could be the cause of this wilting (It's been so bad I've actually had "rain"on the sides of the tent and have been having to wipe down the inside tent walls so it doesn't run down and under the tent floor tray. So today I implemented a dehumidifier in the grow room. I set it to auto-operate for 50% humidity and over the next few hours it dropped the room humidity from 65% to 50% and kept it there. This saw the tent drop 75-80% humidity down to 65% which feels much more reasonable. The dehumidifier has also increased the ambient room temp which in turn increased the tent temp, which brought it to about my ideal range, so I don't have to use the oil fin heater at the moment, and possibly might not need it at all. I am extremely pleased with the effects of the dehumidifier and will be very interested to see if it eliminates the ongoing wilting. The watering today was 3000ml per plant, with an approx run-off of 500ml per plant. The PH of the solution was 6.2, and the PPM was 1050. The solution temp was 24c, and the run-off PPM was around 550-750 across the plants. I purchased a 30L brewers barrel which has a tap on it. It made mixing 27L of solution a relative breeze, and it was easy to mix in the nutrient and the open top allowed me to mix the solution by stirring, as well as easily check the PH/PPM. The tap on the bottom made filling the smaller watering container super-easy, and I highly recommend this as a great way to go for people needing to mix large amounts of nutrient solution and who can't find big enough containers to mix in. Look for beer brewing supply houses, they stock a range of large containers that are ideal for the job! Overall thought the plants seem to be deepening in colour and showing all the signs of a big turn-around in their fortunes. I am content at this stage with the state of the tent. I am looking forward to taking out the heater, and the big fan, and putting in the two clip-on pole fans I ordered, and having 100% floor space to dedicate to the plants. Also the IP cameras arrived, and I can now monitor the two tents from my phone, and this is really excellent as it alerted me to yesterdays wilting, and is a great way to check them at night I''m not sure if the IR leds in the camera will affect the growth but I don't think the autoflowers will mind (but I will do some research just in case). Day 48 - The plants are still wilting during the night cycle, some worse than others, but it seems to be lessening over the days since recovery actions were taken, and now that the dehumidifier is operational in the grow room and the two pole-grip fans are setup in the tent, I can't see any other environmental variables to optimise at this stage, as far as I can tell, I have now reached maximum optimisation of this tent, I literally can't think of anything else I could do to improve their situation, so from here on out I will just continue to feed on as best a wet/dry cycle as I can, and I guess we will see how the plants go till harvest! About the only configurable option I'll be tweaking ios the nutrient strength which is at 75% right now. I'll look to bump that to 100% on the next feed. My assumption about the wilting is that it is simply weakened plants not able to handle a full day of sun yet, and that it will continue to lessen as the grow proceeds barring any further screw-ups. About the only thing I may try if wilting persists is dropping an hour or two from the light cycle till they stop the wilt.
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Grow Questions
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopesstarted grow question 6 years ago
Hi there, does anyone have any idea what the slight mottling is on the leaves of two of my plants. There are close-up pictures under Day 27 in Week 4. The discolouration is present across multiple leaves, but seems to only be happening to two plants out of 8. Thanks!
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skybound
skyboundanswered grow question 6 years ago
I suspect the mottling is a combo deficiency between Ca and K, though I'd go so far as to say that both look minor so maybe not try to fix either. If you're using nutrient salts you can isolate a specific element to tweak, but most nute brands have multiple things mixed in the bottles so if you tweak any thing, you end up tweaking several things which will cause other problems. If interested, I made a tutorial for using Hydro Buddy to reverse engineer your nutrients, then you would be able to play around with tweaking the nutes in theory before actually changing anything in practice. https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/making-your-own-nutrient-concentrates.455187/
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vito_f
vito_fweek 7
@ivik80, yes, check arduino or better yet get a nodemcu v2 and look at the blynk library and free iphone ios app. nodemcu is a very very small arduino-clone with builtin wifi (it costs about 2-5 โ‚ฌ/$). there are other multipurpose arduinos (clones) with wifi. blynk is a framework you can easily add to your sketch. blynk /arduino then connects to either a free cloud server hosted with them or (as i did, as a docker container in parallel to an openvpn server on a NAS) you can run it locally on a small server, so everything stays private. What is nice, the server feeds your arduino the current time now, also it can collect all kind of sensor data in your growroom. You can then build a dashboard app, all kinds of graphs easily in a matter of minutes and program your own light scheduler. it is amazingly awesome. ALso cool: once everything is installed you can update your sketches via wifi, feed videos or webcam shots of your growroom into the app, override the light status in your app, emergency heat shut down, push notifications, all kind of stuff. its nerdy AF, but also a very fun tech project if you're savvy. you can even let the units talk to each other, which i have not tried, build individual humidity/temp-nodes per tent or pot. adding or simulating a potentiometer would be a step depending on your tech setup then.
Fast_Buds
Fast_Budsweek 1
What a great looking diary so far! Thanks for growing faster with us, let us know if you need anything ๐Ÿ’š
Fast_Buds
Fast_Buds
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, I'm sure you can! Our genetics are in good hands=)
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
Thank you @Fast_Buds! I hope I can do your fine genetics justice.
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopesweek 13
Come over tomorrow hehehe I'll roll a few fatties for you, and even make you a coffee *grin*
Puffer_Bill
Puffer_Billweek 9
Looking very buddy in your camp.๐Ÿ‘Š๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ‘Š๐Ÿผ
Puffer_Bill
Puffer_Bill
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, Definitely an exciting time now. ๐Ÿ‘Š๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
@Puffer_Bill, Thank you! It really is starting to look great now when I open the tent. It's amazing how fast the plants go into flower and suddenly there are buds everywhere! The next 3 or so weeks are going to be really fun to watch them thicken out!
ivik80
ivik80week 8
Looking good mate! Glad to see you have dialed in the MG issues, good idea to take the ph up a bit so MG will be taken care of easier. I always have different PH on each feeding just to be sure all nutes will be taken up during a 1 week period at least. I try to keep it around 6.5 but I play around that. Once perhaps 6.3, next 6.5, then 6,7 and then back to 6.3 or 6.5 and so on... I try to at least never feed same ph after each other.
ivik80
ivik80
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, No idea, I use organics so I cannot even look at PPM or EC. I never heard of anyone being able to do that but it seems like something really good if it is possible?
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
@ivik80, That's a great idea. I've decided to the same myself, and will look to bounce the PH between 6.0 and 6.5 over each week, and then drop in a 5.8 or 6.7 a couple times a month.. I'll fine tune it as I go. I was aiming for 6.1 on every watering, and I think it was causing some issues with micronutrient uptake. It would be great to be able to get the run-off analysed and be able to see exactly how much of each nutrient they are consuming... I wonder if there are any test-kits or similar out there to do this.. hmmm.
Fast_Buds
Fast_Budsweek 7
Hey there! You're babies are looking just fine. Great work, I'm sure you are learning a lot with this hehe. Trial and error is always the best way to gain knowledge. Well done. I'm sure things will be a bit easier from here on out ๐Ÿ™Œ๐Ÿผ
Fast_Buds
Fast_Buds
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, No problem!! We're here if you need anything๐Ÿ™Œ๐Ÿผ
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
@Fast_Buds, Cheers guys. The plants have come along way on the road to recovery in the last 3 days since I asked for your help.. So cross-fingers the grow is a easier from here on out, and that my mistakes so far will still allow for a reasonable yield. The Gorilla Glue certainly can take a hard life and bounce back that's for sure. Thank you for taking the time to check this diary for me.
Puffer_Bill
Puffer_Billweek 6
Yours are looking good. ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ ( not sure about the leaf droop ) My first grow was GG4. It was quite resilient. From 4 plants I got over 16oz. Not including the buds I nibbled along the way. I over vegged them so ended up super cropping bending breaking etc... they took all the stress I gave them.
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
@Puffer_Bill, Cheers for the comment :) The plants have been looking great until this wilt thing. I've built a frame for the quantum boards that spreads them apart using the same dimensions as the original HLG-550 which should give better light distribution, and I'm going to try dropping an hour or so from the light cycle to try and mitigate the wilt. being autoflowers these guys have limited time to be at their optimum, and this wilt during the last 2-3 hours of the light cycle feels like it must be affecting end yield. I guess we will see!
ivik80
ivik80week 13
Nice harvest mate! So when should I come over and try out the new smoke? :D
ivik80
ivik80week 5
Hi Why do you want such a high leaf temp?
vito_f
vito_f
@ivik80, yes, check arduino or better yet get a nodemcu v2 and look at the blynk library and free iphone ios app. nodemcu is a very very small arduino-clone with builtin wifi (it costs about 2-5 โ‚ฌ/$). there are other multipurpose arduinos (clones) with wifi. blynk is a framework you can easily add to your sketch. blynk /arduino then connects to either a free cloud server hosted with them or (as i did, as a docker container in parallel to an openvpn server on a NAS) you can run it locally on a small server, so everything stays private. What is nice, the server feeds your arduino the current time now, also it can collect all kind of sensor data in your growroom. You can then build a dashboard app, all kinds of graphs easily in a matter of minutes and program your own light scheduler. it is amazingly awesome. ALso cool: once everything is installed you can update your sketches via wifi, feed videos or webcam shots of your growroom into the app, override the light status in your app, emergency heat shut down, push notifications, all kind of stuff. its nerdy AF, but also a very fun tech project if you're savvy. you can even let the units talk to each other, which i have not tried, build individual humidity/temp-nodes per tent or pot. adding or simulating a potentiometer would be a step depending on your tech setup then.
ivik80
ivik80
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, Ah man that sounds really nice, seems to be a lot of different fun stuff one could do with it. Like the weight of pot idea for watering! Ok then, I'll wait for you to make it all work and then you can show me what to buy and send over some scripts :) I'll copy/paste whatever u get going :D
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
@ivik80, It really is! I did a quick scan and there are already a couple of sunset/sunrise sketches out there, but the more I think about it, the more I think this is definitely a worthwhile project to investigate. Everything could be controlled from the potentiometer interface, and it would just need some sort of clock shield for the arduino, and it could manage the intensity of the light 24/7 - it would be good to have an LCD shield as well so it could display things like the time, and the intensity, so it could be spot checked in the tent. Having it do datalogging back to a PC or SD card would be good as well. Then the next step would be to interface it with the ventilation and circulation fans, and any cooling/heating equipment, along with any humidifying/dehumidifying gear. One could even implement moisture meters in all the pots, or even pressure sensors under the pots to watch weight, and it could then alert when watering/feeding was needed/optimal.. its all a very exciting field for future improvements to indoor operations that's for sure! - The great thing is that there is already a lot of work out there in this direction with Arduino, so its not even like it would have to be done from scratch. I look forward to investigating it once I have a few more harvests under my belt, and I have the practical experience to implement something more advanced than manual/thermostat/humidistat control.
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Cheezy
Cheezyweek 13
What a beautiful harvest! Congrats!
Cheezy
Cheezy
@ProfessorSkiSlopes, there is so much to be learnt by the experience of growing! There's already so much I would do different next time and I'm not even half way through my first grow :P I'm looking forward to seeing how what you've learned benefits you in your next grow!
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
@Cheezy, Thank you very much! :) I really enjoyed growing these plants even though I made a bunch of mistakes, I learnt heaps from doing it, and it was a brilliant smoke (a bit to much sativa for me but still great).
smoking_hills9
smoking_hills9week 13
Wow๐Ÿ˜ฒ Amazing results. ๐Ÿ‘
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
@smoking_hills9, Thank you very much! I'm pretty sure I could get the yield up by another 30% with a more experienced grow. This grow was my first and had a few catastrophes. I've learnt a bit from this and subsequent grows, and I have another 10 Gorilla Glue seeds that I will be using to test my hypothesis after I get another 2 or 3 grows under my belt.
ivik80
ivik80week 10
Another great week I see, they are looking really good mate! Not many weeks left I guess :)
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
@ivik80, Thank you :) Yep should only be 3 weeks or so to go now.. I'm really looking forward to seeing all the buds frost up!! I'm crossing my fingers for a 16oz harvest, but I'm estimating anywhere from 12-18 at this stage.. but I guess we will see... hopefully I can still break the 1g/w level with this (anything but perfect) grow!
GreenHouseLab
GreenHouseLabweek 10
GG always produces monster colas!!! It's evident here...
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
@GreenHouseLab, It certainly does! I can see where is gets the name Gorilla... the shape of the plant almost looks like a gorilla with its arms up and flexed.. Can't wait to see these buds as they sticky up!
ivik80
ivik80week 5
Btw, I wrote a PM/chat to you earlier about the lights, did u see it?
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopes
@ivik80, Do you mean the comment on the VPD? Where do look for private messages?
Wilson_McNugget
Wilson_McNuggetweek 13
Nice grow Ski Slopes...I was taking a look at some of the winning diaries for newbie of the month...looks like you had a pretty nice result....
Auto_GrowZ
Auto_GrowZweek 9
Hey. Just curious.. at week 9 do you still have the hlg Qb's dimmed down to 50% ?
ProfessorSkiSlopes
ProfessorSkiSlopesweek 9
Hi there. The lights are at full 480w now, I started transitioning them around week 3-4 and increased them to full over a period of around 4 weeks. Sorry I didn't make specific notes of when I increased the lights, and this grow had several issues which caused me to slow down the light increase, but if you check my new diary Zkittles, I'm just beginning the increase from 240w at week 3 and I will be taking more detailed notes of exactly when I increase the intensity. Basically the aim is to slowly increase it as the mass of plant material increases and as they increase in height so that they are always getting basically as muc as they can handle without stressing... I'm still working out exactly when to do it, and will be letting the plants guide me.