GanjaTorturer I added this week so I can coherently give the basic info of my vegetative phase.
These girls require ALOT of defoliating. I planned to be removing leaves more heavily couple of times, once during veg and once at the end of flow stretch. Well, no. It has been quite constant during the last three weeks of veg. I opt to grow a dense screen of green, so the growth shoots are quite close to each other and the canopy is hard for the light to penetrate. Hence, a lot of leaf removal.
I topped the plants after the 5th set of real leaves and FIMed the plants from 4 tops each, 3 weeks before the start of flowering. This timing was due to some schedule trouble at the start of this grow. I have very limited space and sometimes I have to do things according to universe, not my own plans...
About the microbes and fungi with H2O2...I add some H2O2 to my main tank to keep it clean. I feed super thrive, bud candy (sugarry crap, only during flowering) and microbes and fungi straight to the individual plant tanks, otherwise it's going to be algae troubles in the main tank. Some extra work, but seems to be working. My system does not recirculate.
I do not drain the nutrient solution at all and feed the plants nutrients every day up until the last 6 days of flush. Weekly feeding plan will unfold later.
I use CO2-bags and CO2 tabs due to some extreme temperatures during some times of the year. Btw, I am a climate change believer, everything I grow, grows with wind electricity :)
Filled the screen about 60-70 % full then switched to 12-12. Canopy is abit uneven, due to genotypical tendencies of 4 different plants filling 1 big screen, and at about 30 to 40 cm above the screen. Okay but, not nice. Next time screen should be 80-90% full before switch to 12/12.
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Week 4. Flowering
5y ago
1/19
85 cm
Height
12 hrs
Light Schedule
26 Β°C
Day Air Temp
5.9
pH
Normal
Smell
600 PPM
TDS
51 %
Air Humidity
18 Β°C
Solution Temp
20 Β°C
Substrate Temp
18 Β°C
Night Air Temp
20 liters
Pot Size
1.8 liters
Watering Volume
35 cm
Lamp Distance
666 PPM
COβ Level
Nutrients 14
Exhale CO2 bag
1 mll
Big Bud
1 mll
Bud Candy
0.5 mll
GanjaTorturer So, this diary basicly starts at the beginning of the fourth flowering week.
That is due to the fact that I started on this awesome site at flowering day #23.
I am running a constant crop machine through the year. I take clones the same day that I switch to flowering 12/12 cycle. Those clones become my next crop and so on. I grow the clones very, very slowly because I have so limited space and stealth is the way I have to do things. I have a diy clone cabinet with custom lights. My main grow chamber is also built by me from scratch.
I have 4 plants in a row in the main chamber and for lights Ive got 2x400W HPS and 2x42W TLED (designed for flowering).
HPS are connected to a duct and all lights are fixed in height.
Above the plants I have an old school wire net with 50 mm spacing. Plastic shielded wire of course.
These plants in this diary are started from seeds from ROYAL QUEEN SEEDS. All the seeds that I planted, started.
About the nutes that are no longer in play : GHE's Diamond Nectar is in use up until the beginning of the third flowering week.
Nutrient schedule changes will be updated to weekly raports. Pics coming soon also.
Hard core defoliation above the screen at flowering day #21. Few more days and I'll see how they bounce back.
Note to self: when defoliating green gelatos heavy handedly, please consider some nitrogen boost to help them recover better. I'm happy that I had saved some of my under-the-screen big fan leaves for the girls to eat. Still, 5 ml of Ghe Micro for every girl as extra food because of hunger for N.
EDIT: Added some info about VEG, check the previous week if interested.
UPDATE: I decided to be taking some 4th flowering week clones, just to see if I get them going. I haven't monster cropped for aeons but now I feel it's time again.
So, if all goes well, a diary of monster cropped unholy Green Gelato mutants will appear online soon too.
GanjaTorturer Flowering week #6.
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Added PK13/14 boost and upped bigbud and bud candy input, both by twofold. EC 1.2 to 1.3. Going to 1.4 in couple of days. Pump that for a week, then a quick flush and then switch to a ripening solution. pH is set to 6.0.
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Everything's looking somewhat ok... I obviously FIMed too much, on the next run I'll veg for couple of weeks longer to get bigger buds. Skip the FIM maybe, needs to think about it.
My first FIM-experience and FUCK, I MESSED (up).
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Summer came, temps went up. Nothing major yet... Little bit too moist in there though. In fact so much that bud development may be slowed down some...
NIGHT t= 21 RH=58%, DAY t=28 RH=56%
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By the way, did I mention that these plants SMELL AMAZING.
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Week 7. Flowering
5y ago
1/23
85 cm
Height
12 hrs
Light Schedule
29 Β°C
Day Air Temp
6.0
pH
Strong
Smell
700 PPM
TDS
56 %
Air Humidity
20 Β°C
Solution Temp
21 Β°C
Substrate Temp
22 Β°C
Night Air Temp
20 liters
Pot Size
2.5 liters
Watering Volume
35 cm
Lamp Distance
666 PPM
COβ Level
Nutrients 14
Exhale CO2 bag
1 mll
Big Bud
2 mll
Bud Candy
1 mll
GanjaTorturer Flowering week 7
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Uploaded fresh pics.
Its very hot and very misty. Soon I'll have to drop the HPS-lights to 250W π
day 29 Β°C/ 55%, night 21 Β°C / 65%. Lousy ain't it, mate?
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Nutrient wise no changes.
Same solution as last week, with EC=1.4 and pH=6.0
...until now, FLOWERING DAY #49:
Emptied the main tank, switched water& ghe flash clean (flora kleen) 1,5 ml/l.
I'll be giving this for the girls for 2 days then I'll empty the plant tanks and fill everything with ripening solution.
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Week 8. Flowering
5y ago
1/20
85 cm
Height
12 hrs
Light Schedule
26 Β°C
Day Air Temp
6.0
pH
Strong
Smell
650 PPM
TDS
56 %
Air Humidity
20 Β°C
Solution Temp
21 Β°C
Substrate Temp
22 Β°C
Night Air Temp
20 liters
Pot Size
2 liters
Watering Volume
35 cm
Lamp Distance
666 PPM
COβ Level
Nutrients 6
Exhale CO2 bag
1 mll
FlashClean
1.5 mll
FinalPart
2 mll
GanjaTorturer Flowering week #8
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First two days of this week are a miniflush before final ripening period.
I will pump empty the plant tanks after the miniflush.
After the flush (water and Ghe Flash Clean aka Flora Kleen, pH 6.0) it is time for a ripening solution that consists of water and GHE Ripen aka FinalPart with a start EC of 1.1. Will be adjusted as needed.
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Had to drop the HPS-light wattages from 400 to 250 W due to too much heat emitted from our life giving, all energy providing home star. You're ruining my crop, WTF?!
This will be standard for the next 3 months or so. I also lowered the leds. Finally, lazy me.
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Update: I still had some AN bud candy left, will feed it to the girls in the next 2 weeks.
Flowering day 54: EC to 1.3, because inner demon told me to.
Hey all you hydro growers.
I am switching from Advanced Nutrients root tribe(tarantula, voodoo, piranha) to ghe's subculture.
How do they compare? If you have experience with these, please let me know.
Thank you.
Hi there!
I can recommend Great white premium mycorhizzae by Plant success.
It has all the same stuff that AN root tribe but in powdery form and it lasts for a very very long time!
Easy to grow, recommended. Heavy yields can be obtained with proper care. Two different expressions of genotypical tendencies, the shorter and the taller. Both sturdy and fit for scrogging. I will grow this again and again.
Many say this is a day smoke. To me, a decent dose of this and a mandatory battle with mr Sandman follows. POTENCY IS NOTICEABLE.
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GanjaTorturer Green Gelato to me, was a very easy to grow and resilient strain. It took extreme indoor temperatures and still produced a somewhat okay yield. I must say that I am disappointed in the yield, but the obvious reasons for this will be below.
Reasons for a good looking, yet quite a small yield:
- I topped twice and FIMmed from 4 places, each plant. This was too much and resulted in small buds
- I experimented with a heavy defoliation for a first time and over did it
- the canopy was truely very uneven, this was also due to my own fuck ups. Also two different style genotypes, other low and bushy, other lankier and taller.
- the heatwave came, the last 3 weeks of flowering the HID lights were at 250 W power.
- almost the whole flowering period was filled with evil temperatures and sadistic moisture levels
All in all the top layer of buds across the screen are awesome. This strain is recommended for stealt using since the after smell of vaping or smoking it, is something that my decades of ganja use-friends, did not recognize as cannabis. Under the poor circumstances, well done Mrs Gelatos π
End product will now be cured in jars for as long as it takes for me to consume them. I'll be vaping as I go, now and tomorrow...cured or not.
Drying process was 7 days of hanging in the dark. Main AC on for 15min every 3 hours for the first 3 days. Then 15 min on every 4 hours for 2 days. After that 15 mins every 8 hours for 2 days, then jar and cure whatever.
Next screen is a lowered main screen with an added top screen. 3 Green Gelatos and 1 White Widow.
I bet that I can get closer to 200 grams per plant on my next run...YES, LET'S DO IT βββ.
Great growing thus far π... in the summer months I put a frozen bottle of water or ice pack (one or more as needed) to keep the nutrient solution temp down within a range of 19-21. Works fine for a number of hours and definitely would help your situation. Nutrient solution at 28*C would impact the oxygen available in the water unless ofcourse you're bubbling it away π
@HazeyBobby, thank you for kindness and yes it's a good idea. I actually started that yesterday! 1,5 litre frozen bottle of water goes in the main tank daily now. I circulate water in the plant tanks all the time the lights are on. It flows across the clay rocks and roots back into the tank. When lights are off, it circulates 4x15 minutes in 12 hr period. Also bubblers are on 24h in the plant tanks. Main tank has a recirc pump in there to stir the solution for 15 min every 4 hours. All this for molecular oxygen and fighting the heat waves of summer. Of course the bubbler blows warm air in there so...
I admit, my system is batshit crazy when climate change style heat waves hit this nordic shit barrel. Last summer was hot and long, somehow the plants survived...
By the way, my electric bill is something to behold π‘
Saving up for those leds.... π
@GanjaTorturer, well that sounds like you got it under control π and yes I can only imagine your elec bills - I run a 245W LED and still twitch every month π
Nice you're so far along in the grow ... I'm holding my breath for the next 4 weeks of this summer to survive the heat waves I'm sure is coming π€
You're going to need some big LED to match your current 800W HID. I struggle with bud size purely from the light but it's all a learning experience :)
@HazeyBobby, that is good point regarding replacing hids with leds. My plan would be to try and use leds during summer months, when I can only use 250W per lamp on the high pressure sodium monsters and use 400W hid power during the colder months. We'll see how this develops. Good luck to your summer battle with heat. My new babies go into this grow tunnel in few weeks and as we know, in veg the girls handle more punishment than when flowering....
Dehumidifier on full throttle these last 2 weeks bud. Unless you already are doing that and still getting those numbers on RH. If so airflow airflow airflow. Either way some nice titties on them bitches. Im sure it smells lovely in there
@MountainMike, agreed. Unfortunately I dont have a dehumidifier at hand. The growspace is so crammed that one would not probably fit in. I most definitely need to explore this avenue thoroughly. The fans are blowing like crazy 247. I have not had this high moisture since the previous strain just did not deliver this way...
I live between two waters on a hill, surrounded by bigger hills, so at summer, it is extra moist.
@GanjaTorturer, yeah i have my dehumid in the actual room not the tent . It would get to hot in the tent anyways with the hot dry air it spits out. I get my room rh in comfortable parameters and the tent follows suit. Hydroponics which i dont run but am intrigued to try, i think run a lil humid in general with all that water in the reservoir or buckets. Good luck with the harvest you in flush stage now?
What an awesome harvest - it really is good considering all your learnings π Hope you enjoy the after-curing party :)
you are that much wiser now for the next crop
@HazeyBobby, thanks friend. We'll see how it goes, since I will go with two strains next run...π
But yes, green gelato is now much more familiar to me.
I am now sitting on a break from modificating the grow tunnel, and enjoying the harvest. This really is exiting stuff to inhale...
In the grow tunnel, I lowered the screen as much as possible and am putting up another upper screen for support. Aiming for plants like yours, man! Gonna need the extra support Im hoping π»
@GanjaTorturer, nice to hear π in my current grow, I only applied LST until the ScrOG net. I keep the plant under the net until the 2nd week of flowering which by then the stretch only has a few more inches which are above the net so the net acts as support as well. With this approach I don't have much to trim under the net and without defoliation the light hits a full canopy.
I have an outdoor grow (not in diaries) which is mainlined then applied LST which I would definitely recommend under a ScrOG - that is going to be massive! The mainlining gives you a great base to grow horizontally from... for now - enjoy the inhaling ππ
@Neo09, thanks friend. Scrogging is a "fun" way of spending endless hours bending the plants. Few branches may break, but it is quite easy all in all. With a little practice a screen like mine can be done with no accidental losses.
My girls will go into the main growing chamber hopefully on monday. Then it's gonna be scrog scrog scrog.
Don't pull out any hair ducking the root rot, bud rot, and brain rot. Your plants look great hope it lives up to its THC, and weight claims.
Plants look great I have been concerned with res temp and see that your not having any problems with higher temperatures.,
I'll watch and learn
Thanks ππ³
@Bluntblazer66, yeah. Lots of oxygen and beneficial microbes.
...I have to say that my budsize is not as impressive as the pics may indicate. I have learned a lot from this first run of green gelatos and will hopefully do better next time.
My Scrog #2-diary will be detailing my growth and scrog tech as detailed as my lazy ass can deliver.
Heh, most of my additives will be different from this run and also the beneficial in the tank will be ghe, not advanced nutrients. We'll see how that goes then π
Oh, one more thing. Years ago, when I knew not about beneficials, I used only H2O2 in the tank. It was a dwc bubbler with constant restemp of 26 centigrade. I always loaded it withm18-21 C nutesolution, but by next day 26 it would be. Once a week I changed the solution and grew alot of dope in a small closet, no root problems then either β
@HazeyBobby, thanks, its my own design. Unfortunately the airflow isnt optimal since I had to remove an A/C-tube from the floor, it fed fresh air all along the floor. Then I went crazy and crammed the grow tunnel fuΔΊl of hydrocrap and now fans move all the air, the floor tube did not fit in. Compromises, compromises π