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VPD values!! How much off the recommended ranges is not good anymore??

Stonehigh
Stonehighstarted grow question 2 years ago
My first time monitoring vpd values on a grow. Day time vpd value : 1.5-1.6. Night time vpd value: 1.2-1.4. I think recommended value for mid to late flower is 1-1.3. I hit it at night but during the day temps going up makes my life difficult. How much off range is not good?
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Sciolistic_Steve
Sciolistic_Steveanswered grow question 2 years ago
Depending on the chart you look at, 1.5 may be great for a mature plant or it might be considered too high... early on for seedlings and such this is probably too much but they'll still grow fairly healthy if not as fast. there are ways to mitigate high VPD, like lowering concentration of nutes, since water uptake is increased you can still give it the same rate of nutes by reducing concentration. Anyway, while the concepts behind this are rock solid, i don't beleive there is a lot of reseaarch to fully flesh it out, especially specific research on marijuana plants and any variances it may have to the general reaserch down on other plants on this subject. So, as always ppl take a concept and run with it.... and not always with any evidence to back up what they say.. So, use the charts, but always let plant observations be the last say. If you cannot control the temps and RH, knowing VPD will limit it's usefulness... liek i said above you can react to high/low vpd by changing nute concentration in an ateempt to maintain rate of what the plant takes in. roots are not selective beyond what fits through semipermeable memebranes.. though there is some active diffussion for some molecules occuring too. otherwise it's just factors of osmosis.. conecntration gradients dictate flow. Think stomatas close in darkness? so the vpd at night may not be suprememly relevant or at least not as important as light hours (might want to google how stomata function just to be sure) i have a chart that shows .5-1.2 being in teh "green". i've seen others that show higher rnages like you mention... they both are doing the math correctly and look professional, but i doubt either has done any proper reseaarch with a proper baseline comparison. It's good science but i highly doubt anyone can be certain about what is "optimal" for the marijana plant species and genetics will likely vary quite a bit due to region the plant comes from or the mish-mash of genetics from multiple regions... consider it a good ballpark to start in and further refine through observing how the plant reacts... just like anything else we do. what's? too much? start approaching 2.0+ and growth slows in my exp with some vege plants last winter... when i reduced concentration of fertilizer (soilles, provided each time), i had a good reaction under bad VPD conditions. My RH was below 30%.. temps were high... it was high VPD and yield suffered due to slow growth and alotted time (schedule)
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Stonehigh
Stonehighanswered grow question 2 years ago
Thanks everybody for your input, much appreciated. The idea behind getting to know my actual vpd values was more to have some kind of picture of how the relationship between humidty and temperature works. While i understand other factors come in to play, this is going to be more some kind of reference for me rather than being the only variable i look at during the grow. I will still continue to apply methods that have worked for me for years but now i also have the chance to have another value to look at when things going well or not, to see where they sit during good or bad times...hopefully culminating in positively 'tweaking' my current methods in a couple of years after having done several grows and documented values along the way.
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gottagrowsometime
gottagrowsometimeanswered grow question 2 years ago
Y are ppl even giving values. What your VPD might be. Will not be the same for others. You have to do a formula for your area. You can just pick a vpd from a chart is my point.
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gottagrowsometime
gottagrowsometimeanswered grow question 2 years ago
Lol. Pal. VPD varies rapidly as no environment is the same. Tent, room type of air flow intake or exhaust. Using co2 additives also allow you to grow in higher heat and RH. I think you are focusing on the wrong things. Once you understand what you have. Then your VPD will only matter to you and to your grows. All are dif. But ranges are. 60-70+ rh 21-25c during all stages of veg. Pre flower 50-60%rh. As its still in a state of growth. A higher RH is better. I'm sure some will disagree but she's still not in flowering stage as of yet. Try keep temp with lights on and off with a 4-6c. As if it goes beyond that, you'll get excess stretching. After pre flower and coming into heavy flower_(ripening) you can drop the temp as low as 17 (light off) and bring it up as high as 28c for terps & fade. Try not do this in ripening a lower temp in the 25c range is best. And even lowering your light intensity by a bit or even higher your light (but that's getting into the little things) As I said. I think you are looking at the wrong things. As if you don't understand that VPD is different in set ups and your co2 ppm count can come into it and changes it my point is its very advanced. For me it is. I understand it though and the ranges. But to do it proper. You have to be able to control your environment 100% so that's AC, RH, AIR PRESSURE, AIR MOVEMENT, CO2, and then there's way way more to it than that.
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ernest_twwg
ernest_twwganswered grow question 2 years ago
Seems like a fair range to me. I don't think you have anything to worry about. Find a VPD chart online and you'll have all the information you need, since they are usually color coated.
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HeavyHittah
HeavyHittahanswered grow question 2 years ago
0.8 to 1.1 for VEG 1.1 to 1.6 for flower Outside Temps and humidity don't always make this possible but they will still grow if they fluctuate VPD, those figures are just optimal . My humidity often rises when lights are off , but have found increasing airflow in the tent helps avoid any mold/mildew.
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JUNGLE_B4RNS
JUNGLE_B4RNSanswered grow question 2 years ago
Bro ! Listen ! I’ve been thru this a long time ago. If you try to calculate the perfect VPD, you need an accurate hygrometer. It must be calibrated under a specific certificate from the manufacture. Believe me, you don’t find such hygrometer in your local Growshop. Honestly, keep it simple, it’s Ganja, it grows whatever the conditions until it has plenty enough water and light.
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Hashy
Hashyanswered grow question 2 years ago
You are possibly on the top end of the Vpd at 1.6 so long as your not getting higher then that you should be ok
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