Howdy all and welcome to Week 6, Veg w/ Grand-Daddy Bruce. Super 50/50 week! The Deets:
The Good:
-So...everything is pretty decent with GDPB. Despite the moves I've made this week to get back to normalcy, she seems to be the least affected by the stress. Her color, fan leaf growth and internode dev. is in full swing, even with the slight starvation.
-Pre-flower occurred this week when I noticed she was pushing offset node points. On Friday I got my first inter-nodal pistils and this girl is ready to flip when I'm ready to go! Always to happy to see the sex even though these are feminized seeds. Never know, man.
-She has stopped drooping out at 7pm. I don't really know why. She is one of two to stop this nightly, nastic movement, but her counterpart, on the same schedule, still dropping out at 7pm (3hrs before lights off). Happy to see GDPB bucking up though!
The Bad:
-I don't consider what I'm doing bad. I feel it's all "Meh's" and I knew that these things would be happening if I went through with this.
The 'Meh':
-I kept talking about hitting the reset button last week, and this week that's exactly what I did. There was a clear pH imbalance causing deficiencies/toxicities. In notes of the week, I will go into what I believe the issue was (This is what I see but don't know if it's correct). I knew going in that the girls would NOT be happy with me, but I NEED NORMALCY and so do they. I have not fed a normal feeding schedule once... I've been screwing around and tailoring my own doses trying to figure things out. Well, that was a slog and I went through with the feeds/flushes @ 6.5pH to rectify both my issues before "starting anew". These two flush/ feed results are below.
-There are deficiencies, but I knew they were coming. Can't heavily flush your plant and expect there not too be😅. The tentative plan moving forward will also be listed below, in short form. There's a lot going on but trying to keep this short (ya right, right😄).
**Run-Off Results Over Two Feeds/Flushes @ 30-35% (Three procedures)**
First Application (May 10th):
-1.5 Gallons, Tap @ 6.5pH and 245ppm (Tap ppm's).
First Run-off :
-5.6pH and 2000ppm
Second Application (May 10th, after flush of Tap):
-3 Liters of Micro-Grow-Bloom-Diamond Nectar (3-3-1-2.5)
Second Run-off:
-5.8pH and 1054ppm
Third Flush Application (May 15th):
-3 Gallons, Tap @ 6.5pH and 245ppm (Tap ppm's)
Third Run-off:
-6.0pH and 560ppm (Hit the numbers I wanted w/ this last run)
**Moving Forward. Tentative Plans (pending on feeding's)**
Tuesday, May 19th: Full Feed of GDPB and DD w/ 4-4-2.5-5-1 (Micro-Grow-Bloom-Diamond Nectar-Flora-licious plus)
Wednesday, May 20th: Full feed, same schedule as Tuesday, for Space Cookies and PSK
Saturday, May 24: Transplant of GDPB and PSK from 3-5 gallon fabric pots and their final resting place.
Sunday, May 24th: Transplant of Space Cookies and DD from 3-5 gallon fabric pots and their final resting place.
**If the full feeding goes well, deficiencies pull back, color comes back and excess nutrients are at bay, I will be moving to my 'Transitions" schedule by end of Week 7 and plan to flip early or mid-week 8)**
Notes of the Week:
-This week was obviously a massive catch 22, but it was decided (and after talking to other's) that losing a little bit of time means nothing in the grand scheme of things (Yay! for photos!). I feel I've gotten the numbers back to a decent and nutrient receptive level and I look forward to 'starting again'... I do have faith that the ends will justify the means, here, but only time will tell if my intuition is correct... I'm prepared for it to not be, lol!😅
-My personal diagnoses when going through my plant symptoms was this: PH imbalance, along with an Potassium excess was causing an iron deficiency (chlorosis on top leaves) by blocking it's uptake and the low pH was inhibiting my Magnesium uptake. It's weird, I know, and I may not be right, but the signs of potassium toxicity were there and so was mag/iron deficiency. After doing a poop tonne of reading and research into my dis-coloring's, this is all I could come up with...and it would make sense. In trying to bring health back to my root zone, I used oodles of soluble potash additives or supplements with it as an addition (was using Grow, Rapid Start (High potash concentrate) and potassium silicate). I got my roots back! but here we are with the Catch 22. Everything I have been doing is/was an attempt to knock down this excess, balance my pH and re-start with a fresh feed in relatively nute-free soil. That was my thinking... so let's see how she goes now. It's all up in the air as far as I'm concerned, lol.
^^**EDIT** THIS EDIT WILL ALSO BE IN WEEK 7!!^^: Wrong about most everything. Yes, there are deficiencies and a pH imbalance, but no, it's not Potassium and I was waaaay off. 24 hours after this update, I saw the symptom progression and my diagnoses was wrong. New diagnoses: Underfed. Simple as that. Signs of heavy nitrogen and magnesium deficiency w/ Phosphorus also lacking. Never had a P issue before and didn't' know what I was looking at. I threw in a quick "Phosphorous deficiency" chart above, just for poops and giggles. You can literally match my symptoms with the deficiency end of the chart (Mostly on PSK). Thin blades, twisting leaves, red stems, etc... It's all there. The Nitrogen and Magnesium deficiencies are clear as day too, and I was looking at the Mag def. as chlorosis... There may be chlorosis, but Mag/P and possibly Cal are what she's mainly lacking atm. Will update the remainder, new schedules and plant conditions in Sunday's entry, but wanted to throw this update in, quickly. I admit I was waaaay wrong. Please ignore the original writings. Thanks!
This wasn't short...I'm a liar😂. There's more, but let's not get into it, hahaha. I'm hoping by next week things will be on the up and up, and by Thursday when I do my SC and DD updates, I should have an idea on how everything went and where to go from here. Thanks for all the advice and thanks to @Rusticbuds for listening to my rambling and helping my sort out what step I should take here. Cheers man! Thanks! And thanks all for stopping by. Much love and I'll talk at you by Thursday! Cheers✊😊
@JinksyGrows, I am also considering buying a small Electric Hoist to raise and lower the units too and use "yo-yo hangers" on each corner to keep from the units from spinning. Might sound excessive, but having the ability to quickly and easily raise and lower the lights would be well worth the investment. I have been eyeing one with 110lb capacity and it only weighs a little over 12lbs. Anyhow, if you have questions or if I can help in anyway, please let me know. Happy growing!
Oveerwatering Issues=?. I feel you- To me the watering Regime is the hardest one to learn in indoor growing. It took me a good number of grows.
I ended in watering daily, and smaller amounts. and Always to look for the plant before i water^^.
If you have tiny plants, use tiny buckets to water them. ( a small glass )etc. You may take longer, but you cant overdo it.
Or take a small plasticbottle and do some markings onto the bottle. so you see how much you want to give to one plant. and can Control how much they already got.
@Mrs_Larimar, This is exactly what I've started to do as of yesterday, haha. I can't be trusted with the 100mL syringe, so I'm back to bottle feeds. Going waaay better, haha.
Thanks👍. I'll stop drowning them😅
Man how did we experience the exact same thing at the same time!? Reading the comments I’m so glad to hear they’re bouncing back!! I just had 5 nodes when I overwatered and had 0 growth for 7 days and lost the 3 lower nodes on all my girls. Since reporting in fabric pots they’ve bounced back and are growing as good as ever! Can’t wait to see how yours bounce back man, good luck!!
@ButtersStotch, Funny eh? Haha. Well, not a that funny, but crap does happen. And we're in the same boat, but it a good way this time🙂. I moved mine to 3 gallon fabrics too and they're moving surprisingly really well now. Woot! Congrats on the recovery man. Onwards 😀👍
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oha,,,, that was really short ( for you)😜
most time if i say .. well theywill need 10-12 Days... they are suddenly done 5 Days later... my Plants tend to change from clear to milky,,,"overnight"
@Mrs_Larimar, That's a good point. I was looking at last week's pictures and trich development and she is moving very quick. The purple and fade only started 4 days ago too and that's going really fast. May have to cut down sooner, but I'll let her tell me😉. Just keeping a real close eye on them now.
@Med_in_Tropic, Still a little bit to go, but I feel we're close👌. Not dead or crispy! I have faith🙂. Moved forward with my test feed on DD and we shall see how this goes. Been 8 hrs and she's perked right up ... I'll take what I can get! Haha. So far so good.
Thanks med!
Good to know about the benefit of ticking analog as nice programable digital. Come to think of it, these household timers, are usually design for fence light or even night light. They are not rated for the wattage for grow room at all.
@Med_in_Tropic, You've got it, 100%. Residential timers being used for commercial lighting. Danger😮. With LED, the wattage is nice and constant without a spike👍. Thanks for reading man!
@Huggomadd,No doubt man. I learned a big lesson from this, and maybe it was necessary (?). I was taking people's word at face value, but they could have literally know nothing in the first place.
I test everything now, lol! And only buy mediums that the seller has proof of using and/or testing before use👍.
Live and learn! But this one hurt. Oof.
@JinksyGrows,
The standard should be that garden centers/shops stand behind their products because they've tried them out previously themselves. Like tried and true. Hard to say; "Yeah this product works great and gives you a huge/great harvest. You should pay the $ and try it." When they truly haven't got a clue about the product.
@Ga4rd2en0er, Non name brand, locally sourced soil, sold at a gardening greenhouse, not a hydro shop. I've had words with the greenhouse already... Haha. Not happy, and told them to pull the product, less they have another 40 of me coming to crap on them. I asked if they ever test their substrates before selling them, too. They said no... So, won't ever trust them again.
Edit 1: The soil was sold to me as 5.5pH seeding soil, btw. Higher N to PK volume. Should be standard stuff... Not sure how or where it got turned sour.
Edit 2: And things are looking good, right now. I will not be kiboshing the project 👍. Lost time, but they're moving very well, now, in their new home
Well that is a beautifully growing plant - stunning leaves and very healthy looking. Nice job mate 👌
A few more weeks and it will be hard for you to find your way inside that space :)
@HazeyBobby, I sure hope so🙂. Did a bunch of LST on 3 of 4 today and really starting to see exponential, daily growth. Slow and steady wins the race, but fast vegging plants is a beauty sight👌☺️
@Buddha2, Thanks Buddah! Going to take a page out of your book and keep it simple this time around👌. Let them go a little more natural 😊
Cheers and happy grows this week!