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KikiMinnekannabis
KikiMinnekannabisstarted grow question 5 months ago
Using a Blue Labs PH pen and PH+/PH- but instead of just a few drops of PH-, it's taking almost 3 full plastic droppers to get correct PH of 6.2. Our tap water is in a 5 gallon bucket left out for 24+ hours to dissipate the chlorine. The tap water is usually 7.2 PH. 😶need advice
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Polyphemus
Polyphemusanswered grow question 5 months ago
So, re-callibrate pen and test in a known pH and make sure equipment is not malfunctioning. This would probably cause some sort of issues in plant if it were way off. So, you'd have an inkling if this is the case before you check. Check if your local water is using chloramine or not? if so, sitting it out for 24+ hours is doing nothing but stagnating your water. Chloramine does not gas off like chlorine. Also, light breaks down chlorine fast. you probably could leave it in the sun and not need 24h to accomplish same thing. No idea how fast, but wouldn't take too long at such low levels plus normal gassingn off of Cl-. also, stop leaving it out for 24+ hours even if it is chlorine in use. This will do more harm than good. The amount of chlorine in tap water will never build up, even with bad watering habits, over 4-5 months. Maybe with a house plant or a mother plant it is more of a concern over multiple years in same pot, but a consistent runoff when fertigated/irrigated will avoid this potential problem too. (don't use rain water, either,... just adding air pollution to plants, lol... "natural" does not equate to "better", it is completely random wether 'natural' is better or not and often a total perception error to start.) if it comes out at 7.2, it shouldn't need much, and if using same acid, the amount needed should not change. Re-check tap ph. I've seen mine swing from 8.4 to 7.0 in past. The acid has lost its "strength" if you need more to move the needle the same amount as before. Contamination or just possibly naturally breaking down over time, i don't know. Doesn't matter how.. if it requires more than the past with same starting pH, that means it has less active H+, therefore a more neutral pH than before -> more needed for same effect Stop buying branded ph up down bottles.. these are simple every day acids and bases. One acid is not more robust to ph drift than another. that is going to happen in any unbuffered solution -- if you use soiless/hydro nutes this is a bad sign if ph-drift occurs.. that's a shit-ass manufacturer that doesn't know what they are doing. Also, if soilless/hydro context, a proper fertilizer should ph-balance and buffer for you.. this shouldnt be needed except for organic or "soil" nutes. Save money. But white distilled vineager 5%, which likely exists in your house already. Start using that. I doubt you need more than 1-1.5mL per gallon, if at 7.2 to start. A 3gallon jug is a few dollars and will last years. citric acid is another good option. you can even use some that provide nutrients, but i prefer to use acids that don't require me to re-balance my nutes. nutes are all about the "right" amount, not "more" of any 1 thing. Don't let someone tell you vinegar is more prone to ph drift.. that's nonsense.. Drift happens because a solution is not buffered properly. a good quality hydro/soilless nutrient lineup should do this for you... those that don't have failed as manufactuers... soil nutes are their own animal in this regard for various reasons - just part of the fun of soil grows, lol. the microbes should control pH in that context, but have physical limitations in that regard. If drift can occur, it does not matter which acid you use. the same forces are at play in both situations, despite common perceptions on the matter.
AsNoriu
AsNoriuanswered grow question 5 months ago
I changed like 5 Blue labs, drop, not using, heavy shake, bad maintenance. , there could ve many things what break even expensive things. Have always aquarium ph test kit, with small 6.0-7.6 ph range, just to double check. Drops never lies, meters go bad. Such swing in amounts definitely suspicious
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JUNGLE_B4RNS
JUNGLE_B4RNSanswered grow question 5 months ago
I had the same problem using GHE pH-, they changed their concentration of phosphorus after it went more expensive to buy to keep their bottles at the same price. I changed to Growth Technology pH Down, their product is a bit more expensive compared to others, but the phosphorus acid is concentrated at 81%, just a few drops are needed to lower the pH.
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AutoflowersSucK
AutoflowersSucKanswered grow question 5 months ago
Also, never dump your pH down in your nutrient solution in 1 big douche. Add it slowly and if you are using a dropper, drop the droplets all over the surface. Don't just squirt it in. A large dose of Phosphoric Acid can cause immediate lockout by binding nutrients to one another causing them to be instantly unavailable to the plant. If you dump in pH down and see the water get cloudy where the acid is, your batch is fucked and you gotta dump it and do it over.
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AutoflowersSucK
AutoflowersSucKanswered grow question 5 months ago
A full eye dropper several times to lower pH isn't abnormal. When i pH a 5 gallon pail of water my tap water is 7.4 I put, i think 3ml (my droppers capacity) in, which is typically 20 big droplets. Then i mix and test. My pH goes from 7.4 to 6.8 Then i drop in 15 more drops, stir and test. That drops my pH value to 6.5ish, sometimes 6.6 Then i add 5 more drops, sometimes 6, and stir and test. That gets me close to 6.3 which is where i want it this grow because of the microbs i use like a 6.2 to 6.6 pH range. PH Down is usually Phosphoric Acid. So it's not a good thing to dump TONS in. If you are it can be a problem and might want to reconsider your pH down product. You can use citric acid like lemon juice to lower pH, but i don't know how stable it is in soil or Coco. In water culture it's not recommended because it doesn't have a good capacity to maintain a stable pH.
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 5 months ago
Agree with what was said below, it take more to do more towards the ends of the spectirum 1 or 14 from 7. One thing to note about chlorine in tap water. most places uses charmides that do not evaporate out, however vit c or ascorbic does break them down so they can be evaporated. If you are concerned about it sprinkle a small amount into your water and give it a stir. I use tap water and do not do this have not noticed any negative effects because of the chlorine. Also your percentage of PH down and its formula will dictate how much is needed. I use a phosphoric acid for my down, but stronger acids are available or cheaper like citric acid / vinegar and it can be purchased in salt form for long term storage. Some pros and cons to each most work just fine. Good Luck!
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Ultraviolet
Ultravioletanswered grow question 5 months ago
I recall being surprised how much it took to change too, a mistake I made once was to try multiple amendments only I didn't realize they released/changed ph at different rates so I ended up just mutilating a grow with ph all over the place up down and all around. Good luck pal.
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Ultraviolet
Ultravioletanswered grow question 5 months ago
Ph is like earthquake, logarithmic, 6 is 10x the acidity/strength of a 7 and so on. I'm not sure what the dosage is on the bottles, but it doesn't seem too much, 5gallin is alot of water to alter. It may seem like a tiny amount of change but it's far bigger a spectrum than most realize
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