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Dialing in light intensity, HLG 350R's

Kalimeros
Kalimerosstarted grow question 2 years ago
Need guidance for light distance and intensity please. I'm using two HLG 350R's in a 5'x5'. Thanks!
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GrowCN
GrowCNanswered grow question 2 years ago
Don't guess at light position/height and output. Get a light meter or download a free light meter app for your phone. I like "PPFD Meter". Then read up on daily light integral. I have put a link below. With a way of measuring the light at the top of your plants it is easy to then match the output to the number of hours of light per day. https://www.ledtonic.com/blogs/guides/dli-daily-light-integral-chart-understand-your-plants-ppfd-photoperiod-requirements
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DutchDoobie
DutchDoobieanswered grow question 2 years ago
High Kamileros, With this powerfull led I would start with 50 cm above the plants and keep moving it a little lower (5 cm each time) when there are no signs from heatstress. The first signs of heatstress are the top leaves starting to take the shape of a taco. When this happens you go up 10 cm again and you know your lamp it's sweetspot distance above your plants. You can also feel with your hand what a good hight would be. Just put your hand under the light on the distance you want to put it above your plants. If after 30 seconds your hand start to feel unpleasantly warm then it is to hot for your plants aswell. When it doesn't feel warm after a minute then your plants should be fine. Happy Growing! 😋
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Foffukuntz
Foffukuntzanswered grow question 2 years ago
Both those figures are variable throughout grow. Get a light meter. Learn about DLI to guide you.
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NobodysBuds
NobodysBudsanswered grow question 2 years ago
there lab report is bogus, so i'd wager lower bin didoes... which is what i did the math on. (not sj or sk) *still a nice light... just doesn't take advantage of the technology... single point style isn't as good distributing the light as more bars/strips in parallel. you're still going to do very well. i'd give a little extra attention to the areas directly under the light and 3-6" out (shorter at ends, wider radiation on sides). make sure those 2 central areas are maximized before anything else.
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NobodysBuds
NobodysBudsanswered grow question 2 years ago
if oyu see how i calculated PPFD... you look on their spec sheet they have divided PPFD by watts to calculate umol/J this is egregiously wrong... no self-respecting lab would ever do that. it's the wrongn equaction, ffs. (umol/s) / (j/s) = umol/J as the seconds cancel out with simple algebra --- the /s is often left off of watts, but it's there and --> 1 w/s = 1 j/s makes it easy math. if i take that light and calculate PPFD in a smaller space i can make that "efficacy" they calculated skyrockt, for example... let's use the higher 957 umol/s i guesstimated in a 1/2m^2 area... that becomes 1914 PPFD / 330 watts = 5.8umol/J which is fuckingn retarded.. there is no diode on earth you can buy that is 5.8umol/J it's absolutely madness to calculate it this way.
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NobodysBuds
NobodysBudsanswered grow question 2 years ago
first, the efficacy is not "3.11 μmol/joule" as listed fo this light. So we need to figue out a more accurate guesstimate. 1296 samsung diodes.. unless they are all 5000K (or is it 6500k, check websit spec sheet fo the "1" the list attributes.. all others fall short of this peak by up to 15% give or take) it is definitely not 3.11umol/J, so it is a lower umol/s than listed. they are listing ppfd but not the space covered, so it's easy to manipulate the numbers like this.. it's what i consider a big red flag that the manufactuer is being manipulative, even though this still does look like a quality light. if top bin diodes and mix of 3000-5000k etc like normal.. could be 2.9-3.0 umol/J. could be 2.7-2.8ish with lower bin diodes.. so 330w x 2.7 /* 2.9 */ = 891 (957) or 1782 (1914) umol/s when doubled 1782 / 25 * 10.764 = 767 PPFD So, maybe 25-50% early on (still have to observe and react based on resulting internode length) and ramping up quickly to about 65-70% in mature vege over an 18/6 cycle -- could push 20/4 if you wanted to or just try 7% moe power (1/9th more than 65-70% would be equivalent to adding 2 hours to 18 per day*) 12 hours you want 100%.. i'd keep the same distance -- that is whatever best covers the space... eliminate hotspots and make sure it spreads out without wasting too much to absorption in walls or missing best parts of plant etc. These suggestion assume you are lighting entire 5x5 area. if you are covering half that, you need to either leave it raised to cover full area and waste watts or proportionally reduce watts, in this case 1/2. all relative.. apples to apples this way.. common sense while covering smaller plants/smaller area requires a change in photons given per day to match. a cheap lux meter can work for measuring how even your canopy coverage is -- even a free app. it'll be proportional intensity (use a piece of rope o something to measure same distance.. guess you'd need something rigid poking out to sides to help with this type of frame so you can make a proper right angle and measure same distance down). use multiple locations accross canopy, and average it out. or pick some % loss you are willing to accept at corners... maybe 400-500ppfd which should be 50%, or possibly less, than the middle under these lights. so if lux numbers are 50% or better in corners, probably okay... observe and adjust. probably get to same exact point as doing the math. it's a single bar x2 and you need a wider spread given frame(s). so i'm thinking 20-24" is probably better than 16"-20" they suggest for bloom. basically 4 165w quantum boards spaced out. follow the measurements, though. i can't decide if i'd run them parallel or end to end... maybe 4x6.5 if end to end and if parallel it'd by a tough stretch beyond 4' wide at end of the end of 34.75" length.. 3-4" on each end.. 42" tops, imo. That can be fine too... can leave room for equipment in there, and tighten coverage will increase light per area applied. (increases PPFD->increases DLI, and could take another 10% light per day on 12/12) It's well-designed for 2 in a 5x5. if you want to boost CO2 and tightly control temps etc etc.. you might want closer to 850watts (erring on high side) of similar quality equipment.
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