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Maximum / Optimal Lux or FC for LEDs and checking readings

WulfBlud
WulfBludstarted grow question 2 years ago
I have a Viaspectra P2500 which is a bit big for my tent but I figured I could dim it and have when I upgrade my tent. I think I am burning my plants though so I am wondering what the maximum and optimal Lux/FC is for LEDs. I have the Light Meter LM-3200 app with diffuser. Ty
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Sciolistic_Steve
Sciolistic_Steveanswered grow question 2 years ago
lux / footcandles are the same scale or whatever.. essentially same thing without splitting hairs the "max" lumens you can provide differes due to varying CCT and other attributes of the light you provide. So, you'll have some trial and error, but when you find a happy zone, it'll be very similar in future. Lux/lumens will be proportional to intensity. so, if you measure 25k in center and 12.5k on edges, there is also 1/2 the actual DLI / PPFD / PAR light hitting the edges. DLI is best way to talk about this with other growers because it does not matter if size of garden is different nor different CCT and other differing characteristics of light provided. It doesn't even matter if talking about autoflowers and photoperiods which can have drastically different light schedules... it's apples to apples, which is why it is best way to talk about this. REad up on basics of Daily Light Integral, PAR, PPFD... don't need to memorize equations, just understand gist of it. key is that the energy we provide per 24 hours cycle is roughly the same maximum whether you provide it over 12 hours or 18. obviously the rate of photons is much higher over 12 hours to provide same energy as 18 hours of light, but if we count up the photons, it's going to be very, very similar. studies show the same dli at varying hours of light per day equates to same yield. some common sense is necessary here.. don't try to prove it wrong providing 1 hour of light per day, lol.. that'll defintiely burn the plant. but 12-20 hours? as long as you hit that upper crust of DLI relative to your environment (temp/rh/co2 dictate what the "max" is at any moment in time) you are going to yield as good as you can as far as what the light provides and ignoring all other factors for clarity. apps on phones will be much higher readings than with an actual lux meter device. the dedicated device (10 usd) does a better job only reading light from a perpendicular direction, where as your camera phone will also include more light coming from all angles. So, you may see 25-30k with a real lux metere then 50-75k with a lux app on your phone... no big deal.. these are only relatively proportional readings and don't inform about PAR/PPFD/DLI in any precise way. "photone" app conversts this lux reading (bc your phone is not a quantum meter not matter what app you load onto it) to PPFD. Since LEDs are very similar you won't be more than 10% off probably... unless using a blurple or light with an odd spectrum flux density. BUT, the app doesn't know if your light is 3000K or 4000K and that matters, so it'll always be off a bit because there is not a one-size-fits-all conversion factor. flip a coin.. photone or a normal lux app on phone... still just good for relative intensity and helping even out light intensity across your canopy, within reason. an accurte spec sheet umol/s value, the area that you cover and hours of use is going to more accurately guesstimate your actual DLI than any phone app. qunatum meters are 500 usd or so, and not worth the money.
Sciolistic_Steve
Sciolistic_Steveanswered grow question 2 years ago
just to give an example, i have a real lux meter. i burn the shit out of mature plants at 30klux and above or thereabouts... a phone app woul dread MUCH higher. I know the specs of my diy lights. I know the DLI i produce fromt them. it's more than "max" relative to space, hours of use and ambient co2. at no reasonable distance can i hit 50k or higher on my lux metere and not absolutely destroy a plant. take lux as a grain of salt... mostly useless except for proportional intensity and evening out blanket of light at canopy. any different light will give different lux values even if providing same DLI. DLI matters, lux does not. a cooler white light will give a higher lux reading because it has more green, which is not as useful to plants as red and blue portions of spectrum. so, you map out lux relative to any 1 model of light... or another if it has the exact same specifications and same frame or proportional frame (distribution of diodes). it may or may not be useful to your friend down the street with a different light... he /she will need to work out what is best relative to that light. this is the one time a quantum meter (it's ppfd reading would translate no matter which brand.model of light is used) would help, but you can get to same point with trial and error with lux.
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iLoveGoodWeed
iLoveGoodWeedanswered grow question 2 years ago
Clone and seedling stage: 5,000–7,000 lux Vegetative stage: 15,000–50,000 lux Flowering stage: 45,000–65,000 lux 👊👍😊
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