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When to defoliate and should we on the autos?

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_Apex_started grow question 1mo ago
Should he defoliate the autos or just leave? When I did before I just tucked and leaves that blocked buds. Same question for stardawg photos, when should he do it? Is it constant through flower or certain times and leave it?
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Techniques. Defoliation
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00110001001001111Oanswered grow question 1mo ago
Defoliation - technical term meaning to remove a ton of leaves for mostly whimsical reasons. It can be used in less formal ways too simply to mean removing some foliage. An individual's perception can make for a bit of a difference. If you proprly managed the canopy and didn't over-crowd, there is no reason for a defoliation. Removing a select leaf to avoid condensation (or some orther high-risk issue) while also not creating a gap in leaf coverage to absorb all the light possible, is okay, too. Usually just bending or shaping the plant can accomplish the task without cutting it. If you don't over-crowd, there is never a reason to remove leaves or try to improve light penetration etc.. More colas is not better. AFter a certain point you don't add weight, you just have smaller, more distributed buds. dli, temp, rh, and co2 levels will be the limit on yield, not number of colas. If you provide enough building blocks relative to those factors, yield is almost automatic as long as you don't do anything too detrimental. There's really not much difference with autoflowers. Those that perceive great differences usually do crazy stuff to their plants, lol. If you put a photo on 12/12 from seed, i bet it's just as 'sensitive' to overfertilization as an autoflower. The real problem is people over-fertilize their photoperiods. I give the exact same formula and concentration to autoflowers i've grown and they look just as healthy and just as good of outcomes as i'd expect from a photoperiod with 2-3 weeks of vege time. So, obvioulsy some major holes in the perception that autoflowers need a drastically different .. anything. why you should keep all the leaves you can possibly keep... They do more than 1 function. You may know that carbon is one of your primary limiting factors. Leaves are lungs. Less leaves = less carbon intake. It'd be nearly impossible to overcome that negative with any perceived benefit of removing leaves. This alone is reason not to remove leaves. Transpiration, light absorption, nutrient and sugar storage ... leaves are important organs to the plant. Don't remove them for bro-science reasons. Removing leaves does not cause any magical reaction in the plant. All it does is motivate the plant to grow more leaves, lol. If theplant has too many leaves relative to its environment, it'll shed a few at the bottom. The plant knows better than you how many leaves it can maintain. Don't make that choice for the plant. "blocking buds" is also not a good reason to remove leaves. Cell differentiation!! LEaves perform certain tasks they evolved to perform. Buds, the same... Buds are sex organs. They are for reproduction. They do not contain 1/100th of the photosynthetic potential as the top layers of a leaf. MAximizing light on buds is not going to benefit you much. Again, a non-crowded canopy should have plenty of 'light penetration.' But, don't overvalue it... leaves nearly light capture much more light (umol/s is a rate) than lower leaves. Light spreads out very fast. The further a leaf is from the light source the more significant this effect is.. lower leaves capture less light -- again, maximizing this is not going to overcome what you lose by removing leaves above it -- mathematical certainty and not an opinion. A full canopy with no gaps and 'enough' airflow / light penetration is all you need. don't overthnk the last two parts. Stick to ~3 collas per sq ft and the rest will take care of itself. Less effort, less time wasted, fewer resources wasted on growth you prune off... etc etc so many dominos as to why you will have better outcomes, ceterus paribus, not doing bro science stuff like (mass) defoliation. The sugar produced by photosynthesis does get used more locally than not, but that is not evidence to get light on or near buds. Sugar goes where it is needed. that's the whole role of the vascular tissue. When a concentration gradientn forms near greater growth (apical dominance dictates this, not where light hits) it draws more sugar to that area of the plant quickly. Sugar is highly mobile. Where it is synthesized in the plant is mostly irrelevant to the yield it will translate to. Based on environment, buds will be decent down to a particular depth whether they get a tone of light or not.. .again, assumes a non-crowded canopy. Most of the misunderstanding on this topic comes from the effects of a crowded canopy, which is a self-inflicted mistake anybody can avoid. common sense -- in a crowded canopy it's gets dark pretty quickly.. at some point extreme light deprivation may have a real effect of concern.. but again.. if you don't crowd the canopy, that's not an issue, lol. I expect good buds as deep as 16-24" without purposely removing leaves to get light on lower buds (unnecessary effort). The exact depth depends a lot on the genetics of the plant in front of you, too. Stuff that is congested and mushed up against each other near bottom never turns out well.
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pHilosophy420
pHilosophy420answered grow question 1mo ago
For autos, only remove leaves that block light ideally once around week three or four of flower and consider just tucking instead of cutting. For Stardawg photos light defoliation can be done early in flower to open the canopy but after week four only remove leaves that shade buds. The key for both is improving light and airflow without stressing the plant👊👍
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ATLien415
ATLien415answered grow question 1mo ago
Would it help, bro, if I took your question and then copy and pasted it into a free AI platform, then copy and pasted the response back to you? Just leave the autos. Tuck or remove as needed for air an light penetration, with a preference to not defoliate the autos since they're on their own clock and not stopping for anyone. It is mostly constant through flower (and veg) just take care during especially rough times (like the first few weeks of flowering)
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Ninjabuds
Ninjabudsanswered grow question 1mo ago
Honestly when you’re not sure what to cut or not I think it’s good to side with less cutting. It’s always good to get a run under your belt and see how the plants actually grow and develop when untouched then you can slowly fourm them to what you want in future grows with the knowledge of how the plants grow when untouched
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Green_claws
Green_clawsanswered grow question 1mo ago
They look good to me, there going into flower so a big stretch is about to happen so I'd just wait and watch, spreading the branches out evenly threw the nets and then defoliate if the positives out weigh out the negatives, don't defo willy nilly.. The plant on back right need needs watering
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I_T_C_R_W___GROW
I_T_C_R_W___GROWanswered grow question 1mo ago
leave it remove just some leafs during/after streatch when the block each other and you have a lot of them, otherwise just leave them until end of bloom - they deliver energy for the hole plant - no matter where they are
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