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NegotiatedBubble NegotiatedBubble
2 years ago
      Grow Goals Week 6 of Veg     ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ 🌦️ VPD of 0.8-1.2 kPa for late veg 🌙 Diurnal Temp Difference of 10°F / 5°C    🔆 Maximum Light Infiltration 🔆 Maintain DLI at 40 for late veg    🚜 Microbes & Mycorrhizae 🚜 Lollipop Bottom of Plants       🔎 Pest Inspection 🔎 Nutrient Deficiency Inspection 🔎 Plant Happiness Inspection 
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🌦️ Prepare a Lung Room for Flowering   ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ I was not able to increase the heat inside the tent as much as I had wished (see week 5). This was mainly due to dimming the lights (see week 4) as well as the fact that it has been cold and rainy. With flowering approaching we need some environmental control, decreased RH and slightly increased temps.   
 
Previously the bedroom door was left open and the tent’s exhaust duct was stretching all the way to the door and pointed at the hallway. In order to establish the Lung Room, the bedroom door has been closed. That exhaust duct from the tent? Shortened quite a bit and it now points at the bedroom floor.     Dehumidification of the room has begun.

The tent heat will be controlled using both the tent’s fan speed, and also the amount os heat produced from the lights. One thing to mention is that a decent dehumidifier will slightly cool the air as it works, so we will need to further adjust the fan speed for the tent and/or dimming. 

    Phase II of the Lung Room will involve an additional exhaust fan ducted through a hole in the bedroom door. This fan will control the lung room temperature by periodically mixing cold air from the hallway using a temperature controller. If you require a carbon filter for smell, this is where it should be placed. I will be purchasing the cheapest “slab door” that I can find to avoid cutting a hole in my landlord’s door and can reuse the slab door if I move again.      
   
 🌦️ Yet Another RCW-800WIFI Temp/RH Logger    ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ I somehow lost my cheap RC-4HC temp/RH loggers (the RC-4HC’s are perfect for beginners) and have purchased one more RCW-800WIFI temp/RH logger. Since I have already purchased the Elitech cloud account for my first logger, adding another device to that account is free. I now have the ability to monitor both the tent and the Lung Room. Why is this important? Once I have the Lung Room dialed in, it is just a matter of adjusting the tent fan to tweak the temp/RH. Remember, controlling the environment in a small space is far more difficult that doing so in a larger space such as a bedroom. You will see huge spikes in RH depending if the humidifier/dehumidifier is running or not. And if an A/C is needed, forget about trying to find one sized correctly for a tent.       
🚜 Missing Nutrients   ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ My best friend gave me some candid criticism that my buds tasted “soapy” these last few grows. This coincides with me changing my brand of fertilizer. 

   
 After reviewing the generic requirements for cannabis plants, I can see that I am missing a lot of micronutrients. I have acquired a micronutrient mix that was conveniently available to me. Researching through different micronutrient fertilizers for future purchases, I can report that they all seem to vary wildly. I am currently looking into combining a few different brands, or even making my own by sourcing chelated copper, chelated iron, etc.   
 Sulphur input is missing as well. I will be implementing epson salts (magnesium sulfate) next feeding. I am also researching using potassium sulfate as well.       🚜 A Very Mild Lollipopping and Defoliation   ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ I am still undecided on exactly when to lollipop. Rasta Jeff on his show GFYH recommends lollipopping during early flower. I have learned a lot from GFYH, but this seems quite stressful on the plants. I will be pushing back the lollipop schedule to this current week and only defoliate/lollipop only what is required to achieve air flow under the plants, reduce the number of places for pests to hide, and also provide better access for my watering wand.

   
 To make it easier on each plant, I defoliated 1 to 2 leaves at a time, or removed 1 “sucker branch” at a time. This occurred slowly over the course of a week. In practice, it is not uncommon for me to casually remove a leaf or two while gazing at my plants. This is better than mass defoliation or cutting off too many sucker branches at once. 

   
 Lollipopping is accumulating a Bro Science vibe around it and I do not see much academic data supporting increased harvest yields with lollipopping. With that in mind, I intend to minimize lollipopping, but will revisit defoliation/lollipopping in mid-flower to increase light infiltration once the buds have stopped forming.          🔎 Pest Inspection   ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ A few more gnats than usual, but I failed to change the sticky traps when I closed the bedroom door. With the grow environment now sealed, any gnats that appear going forward surely live here.           🔎 Nutrient Deficiency Inspection   ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ #2 has interveinal chlorosis and some burnt serrated edges on 2 older growth leaves. It is also the smallest of the plants in size.    Let’s troubleshoot:      First, let’s look at any changes in my grow process during the past few weeks or compared to my last grow. No significant changes   in process, but I did discover that I was not feeding enough micronutrient (see above).      Second, let’s look at the pH. Incorrect pH will lock out nutrients even if they are all present. I calibrate my pH meter every   feeding and keeping a consistent 6.2 pH. As mentioned in week 5, seven days between watering is too long. The pH swings wildly   when the soil dries out.      Third, let’s look at the visual symptoms. Crispy serrated edges can mean either nutrient burn, light burn, or a potassium deficiency.   I have been feeding 100% strength nutes for a few weeks and only one of these two clones are complaining. No other plants   are showing symptoms of light burning. If a runoff PPM test checks out next feeding, then this appears to be potassium deficiency and   likely caused by pH issues due to drying out.       🔎 Plant Happiness Inspection   ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ Despite a few leaves on #2 being a concern, the plant is quite happy along with the others. All are responding to LST well. Plants vigor looks great. Growth is on track.       ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________   
   
 Fabric pots to prevent root binding. I am taking the Syn-ganics approach. Using soil with microbes + mycorrhizae added to the nutes. Mycorrhizae will be phased out during flowering as the high phosphorus environment halts fungal germination (Teaming with Fungi: The Organic Grower's Guide to Mycorrhizae by Jeff Lowenfels) Enzymatic (Sensizym) will assist in breaking down dead root material in the soil. Any brand enzymatic that can break down cellulose will do just fine. Agsil16H Potassium Silicate is pre-mixed at 148g per 1 gallon of water. Silica will aid plant strength/structure and also make the plants taste terrible to pests. As a side note, plants with too much nitrogen input taste sweet and delicious to pests! Bacillus Thuringiensis subspecies Israelensis (Bti) (aka Mosquito Dunks) solution is added to the nutes to kill any larvae based pests such as gnats. Mixing Mosquito Bits into the soil is also a great idea. Seaweed Bottled Mix Ingredients (NOT an endorsement. I purchased this with my own money) ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ - Ecklonia Maxima Kelp - Fish Hydrolysate - Blackstrap Molasses - Humic Acid / Fulvic Acid - Select Amino Acids (L-Alanine, L-Argine, L-Aspartic, L-Cystine, L-Glutamic Acid, L-Glycine,   L-Histidine, L-Isoleucine, L-Leucine, L-Lysine, L-Methionine, L-Phenylalanine, L-Proline,   L-Threonine, L-Serine, L-Tryptophan, L-Tyrosine, L-Valine) - Calcium Phosphate - Arcanite - Sugars - Yucca Extract - Tryptic Soy Agar - Plant Hormones, Plant Growth Stimulators and Vitamins (Auxins, Cytokinins, Gibberellins,   Abscissic Acid (ABA), Adenine, Indole Acetic Acid (IAA), Adenosine, Zeatin, A (Carotene),   B1, B12, C, D, E, K, Biotin, Niacin, Choline, Pantothene, Folic Acid, Follinic Acid) ________________________________________________________________________________    I Build My Own Custom Grow LEDs https://growdiaries.com/diaries/165481-grow-journal-by-negotiatedbubble    Custom Built Modified Grow Tent Frame https://growdiaries.com/diaries/165474-grow-journal-by-negotiatedbubble    Custom Built Watering Table https://growdiaries.com/diaries/165482-grow-journal-by-negotiatedbubble    VPD Chart and Calculator spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Dta8AptwIIgo728nAu4l9acrWYWPdrljjV4uzXwGJ0Q/edit?usp=sharing    My Custom Nutrient Spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1grolLVrJLQVSdK7sdnR7dS86axWIzDgW1iWWZIFHhiA/edit?usp=sharing  
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NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubblecommentedweek 12 years ago
Thanks Cyrus. Thanks Resinus. This is probably my 9th of 10th harvest, experience-wise. With so much BroScience™️ still floating around, I always like to question why when I do something in my grow space. I spent about 4 month straight listening to grow podcasts while doing food deliveries and also research a lot in my spare time. I have hammered out a rough process for myself and figured time to post what I have so far. Teaming with Microbes is a great fucking book. Bruce Bugbee is THE authority on how photons/wavelength/etc interact with Cannabis.
UnorthadoxDude
UnorthadoxDudecommentedweek 22 years ago
Hey mate, loving the detail in text. I enjoy reading as I find it more informative than photos. The photos for me are the result or the metric or measure, the text is the subject at hand. :) I also like your invention with your own made kit, something I find inspiring. Can you tell us a little about your past growing experience?
UnorthadoxDude
UnorthadoxDudecommented2 years ago
@Ezzjaybruh, It's wonderful to hear you inspired to write more... I share your frustrations mentioned and will not elaborate for obvious reasons.
Ezzjaybruh
Ezzjaybruhcommented2 years ago
@UnorthadoxDude, after reading this.. makes me want to add more to my diaries than I have been lately. I just have got a bad taste in my mouth with this site of late, for many reasons I won’t go into here.. but I don’t realize ppl might be looking at my diaries for specifics to learn..
NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubblecommented2 years ago
I was searching other people's public google drives files for VPD charts. I found a copy of the pulse grow VPD chart that someone apparently converted to a Google Sheets Spreadsheet. Very nice. VPD Chart https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M9jGhBA0lc2S8NEsq3q_6Mkpd3yJwedSZ3kfxuK0ZVI/edit?usp=sharing
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gottagrowsometime
gottagrowsometimecommentedweek 52 years ago
Very detailed diary. Good read. Good much with the rest of her!
NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubblecommented2 years ago
Thanks for that @gottagrowsometime. I trashed most of my grow equipment before moving to California and am reinventing my environmental control due to the change in local climate.
MedicineMaker
MedicineMakercommentedweek 52 years ago
Nice LST work! I'm really enjoying reading about the details of your grow setup, very informative and helpful! 👍 Thank you my friend!
GreenGlowes
GreenGlowescommentedweek 22 years ago
Good luck with your gro! 😎
Cyrusdavirus
Cyrusdaviruscommentedweek 12 years ago
Sounds like you have done some homework and the newbie title is just because you just started on Growdiaries. Well welcome to the neighborhood enjoy Great looking youngsters 👍 happy growing 😎🌴
amazongrow
amazongrowcommentedweek 142 years ago
wow, this an artist's diary. at first I kinda went this path but now I'm so lazy and mostly update the pics and give the viewers an overview of the week... this is much better, thank you and keep it that way! btw, nice girls... they look lovely and I would not worry about any deficiency at this stage, most of the pics I have seen seems to be senescense related. However, the space looks crowdy, you got to watch out for mold and air circulation very closely, but the new dehumidifier will help I guess. I would recommend less plants and mainlines... they get very big and horizontal spread also thriving on the stress! good luck from Brazil! =)
amazongrow
amazongrowcommented2 years ago
@NegotiatedBubble, thanks for the tip. I have started adding silicate this grow and had no issue with mold or mildew I would say, with the addOn of an AC during 35+ days of flowering. Got myself a 240W Quantum Bar now and this next grow I hope to get some much more potent buds with my new AC during flowering... Hope your new setup fixes any issues. You deserve it, very well orgnized fellow. Congrats! Tchau, do Brazil!
NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubblecommented2 years ago
@amazongrow, I live next to a cold water bay and see 68°F / 20°C with 60-70% RB days, and then 50°F / 10°C with 80-90% RH at nights. Typical A/C's are not very good at humidity control when it comes to indoor growing. This applies to drying room conditions as well. In that case, I need very cold + 60% RH, but the A/C running that much will dry the air out about 4 days into my drying session. Previously, I ran small humidifiers in my drying room after that 4 day mark. I will be tweaking this for my new climate. I reduced the LGR Dehu to 40% and managed to get the tent down to 55%. I also defoliated much of the plant to insure against mildew issues. I am going to overlay some cheap vinyl flooring on top of the existing wood floors. This should cut down the amount outside humidity entering the room. If you are not supplementing with Silica, then start now. Silica prevents a lot of mildew diseases such as Botrytis.
amazongrow
amazongrowcommented2 years ago
@NegotiatedBubble, you have a lung room? a room for air conditiong RH and stuff before sending to the tent? that should be awesome! what are your conditions on the outside world? As I grow in the Amazon, the humidity here is almost 95% outside most of the year (lots of rivers, trees, rain, etc).. once I thought about getting a lung room, but still I had to deal with the temperatures (28C almost all year around).... this time around I have used an AC from day 35+ of flower and the results were just fucking amazing! Having said that, fighting climate is a bitch and its fucking hard! =/ But as you are all organized, I believe its a battle you will win! Congrats, bro!
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Ultraviolet
Ultravioletcommentedweek 162 years ago
Loving the info, veritable bank of knowledge you are Negotiated bubble. Making your own LeDs , now that's interesting! Right up my alley. Not now though, my ass is broke from previous ideas :)
NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubblecommented2 years ago
@Ultraviolet, a lot of these new "Amazon" lights still do not have the Samsung LM301H diodes. The newer "LM301H EVO" diodes are not for beginners due to missing red spectrum (have to supplement red diodes separately). I only expect to see EVO in commercial setups. All the more reason to build my own!
Canna96
Canna96commentedweek 62 years ago
Thats some of the best LST I have ever seen, nice work brother!
NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubblecommented2 years ago
@Canna96, thanks for that. My even flowering canopy alway looks like screenless-scrog toward the end. Looking forward to posting some flowering pics soon.
Wastent91
Wastent91commentedweek 182 years ago
Yuor work are amazing for me! Yuo are a specialist in all of his part of this miracolous indoor cannabis grow! Thank yuo to exist and follow up toghether yuor ability! Thank full for all! 🙏👊😽😼😺🧑‍🌾😻💖💖
yourbestbud
yourbestbudcommentedweek 172 years ago
I like the tip on the cooking spray definitely gonna do that when my first harvest is ready. Your buds are looking amazing!
Qutro
Qutrocommentedweek 182 years ago
Those nugs look yummy.👌
HydroHerb420
HydroHerb420commentedweek 182 years ago
Wow. This is another level. So much detail. Congratulations 💚💚
Zengrower
Zengrowercommentedweek 182 years ago
Those buds sure have bag appeal, very nice 👊
gottagrowsometime
gottagrowsometimecommentedweek 132 years ago
Nice diary
Terp1
Terp1commentedweek 122 years ago
Ich wünsche dir eine hervorragende Ernte. Ich finde deine Arbeit beeindruckend. 💪
Terp1
Terp1commentedweek 102 years ago
Wahnsinn.... einfach nur wahnsinn 😍
resimax
resimaxcommentedweek 12 years ago
Good luck and happy growing! 😎
WhiteEdge
WhiteEdgecommentedweek 162 years ago
Excellent diary , very informative. Harvest looking insane, those buds 😋
WhiteEdge
WhiteEdgecommented2 years ago
@NegotiatedBubble, It make wonder, i start injecting co2 from last grow and i going to continue with it..
NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubblecommented2 years ago
@WhiteEdge, not a bad yield considering there is not any CO2 injection. Next flower will have CO2.
MedicineMaker
MedicineMakercommentedweek 172 years ago
Looks like congratulations are in order bro! 👏 Awesome work and the buds look rock solid! 👏 Thank you for all the harvesting tips as well, I'll definitely try out the PAM spray, I was using rubbing alcohol... Good points as well on the wet trimming 🙏 I'll be using what I learned from you on my 2 current grows. Best of luck on the drying and curing my friend! 👈
MedicineMaker
MedicineMakercommented2 years ago
@NegotiatedBubble, Every grow, we be better 👊 Your harvest is beautiful one. 👏 Thank you for sharing the book, it looks like a good read. I've been wanting to check out Ed's Cannabis Growers Handbook as well. Happy drying and curing 👈
NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubblecommented2 years ago
@MedicineMaker, thanks! I learned a ton this time around and was glad to share it. I ran across the below harvesting book and was able to check out the digital version though my local library. The book has a lot of useless "filler", but still a great read toward the end.     Marijuana Harvest: How to Maximize Quality and Yield in Your Cannabis Garden, by Ed Rosenthal, David Downs