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NegotiatedBubble NegotiatedBubble
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    Dry/Cure Goals Week of Harvest ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ 🚜 Wet Trim the Buds 🚫 No Direct Air Movement on the Buds ⬇️️ Maintain Drying Room Temperature to 65°F / 18°C ⬆️ Maintain Drying Room RH to 60% ⏱️ Hang Buds for about 11-12 Days ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾       🚜  A Diary Week Dedicated to the Dry and Cure    ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ Drying and curing is the most critical step in my opinion. Absolute fire buds can be destroyed by a bad dry/cure. A friend of mine worked on a trimming crew one season in northern California, and these veteran outdoor growers cede total control of the drying and curing process to these trimming crews. That is a lot of trust for a year's worth of hard work. This also demonstrates how important the dry/cure process is. For this reason I am dedicating another diary week to drying and curing.       🚜  Wet Trimming    ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ Since I control the drying room conditions, I can afford to wet trim the flower. I love wet trimming because there is less damage to trichomes, and the trimmed leaves retract into the bud once dried which is good for bag appeal.   A secret of professional trimming crews is using cooking spray to clean the trimming scissors. Rubbing alcohol is out of the question. Here in the US, we have Pam brand cooking spray which contains oil + lecithin in the spray (some sprays just have oil). This is the first time I have used this trick, and I can report that it works great. I can slide the tip of my trimming scissors into the bud with ease. Sticky scissors tend to "tear" the flowers and trichomes a bit. I recommend upgrading to a cloth towel to wipe the excess spray off.   Do you have an ugly resin stain on the sink, countertop, or floor? Cooking spray will take that out in a few seconds.        🌦️  Drying Room Conditions    ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ I have specific temperature and RH goals when converting the Lung Room into the drying room. You will need a combination of high humidity and cold temperatures. A properly sized A/C for the room will not achieve the high RH needed. When running at colder temperatures, a properly sized A/C will remove far too much moisture. You may need to add a few humidifiers plugged into a humidity controller.    For an oversized A/C, the humidity will be higher at low temps. This is because an A/C must cool for at least 5 minutes before it can start removing moisture. An oversized A/C will rapidly cool the room then shut off before that 5 min mark. A common example is if your home has central A/C and you are experiencing high humidity throughout the day, then the A/C is likely too large for your home.   Temps at 65°F / 18°C       RH at 60%    🌦️  Use a Dehumidifier for Days 1-3    ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ During the first three days of drying, I run a dehumidifier to maintain a 60% RH as the buds are shedding the bulk of their moisture during this time. All air movement should be subtle and INDIRECT. Multiple small oscillating fans are great. Now is the time to start your massive fan collection. I actually prefer air movers placed next to a wall and pointed towards the ceiling. Air movers are also great for circulating cold air from an A/C up to the ceiling.    Air Mover    https://a.co/d/5KYmxn3         🌦️  Use Humidifiers for Days 3-12    ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ After day 3, humidification will need to be added depending on ambient humidity of your home. The buds will certainly dry out too fast if RH is not maintained at 60%. From here, slowly dry over the next 9 days. During this time, the inside of the flower is still quite moist, but outside has dried a bit. A wicking action is what moves the core moisture out of the buds. This process is slow and the 60% RH room will act as a humidity buffer to prevent rapid drying.    Chlorophyll and other undesired compounds require a bit of moisture present in order to degrade. This is why fast dried buds taste like lawn clippings. The cooler temperatures and slight moisture slow the rate of terpene degradation, while allowing time for the chlorophyll, etc to break down.       🚜  Hanging Rack    ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ I use a roll around restaurant style wire rack to hang my flower. Binder clips are used to hang the buds from each shelf. No more sagging clothesline where all of the buds slam together! I can hang a lot of bud on each shelf, the height adjustable shelves are great for monster branches, and I can easily roll it around to adjust for optimal (indirect) air movement.    growdiaries.com/diaries/165223-grow-journal-by-negotiatebubble#gallery=7096967     🌦️  Moisture Meter    ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ I am trying out something new this grow. I have purchased a cheap pin-less moisture meter to determine when the buds have reached 12-13% moisture content before moving them into the curing jars to a final 11%.     Moisture Meter   https://a.co/d/2Q1wjjr Once the buds have cured for at least a week, I will finalize this diary and will report on the final product. I am currently looking for a lab to get my flower tested. Hopefully I will have potency and terpene percentage numbers for you.      ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________      Fabric pots to prevent root binding.   I am taking the Syn-ganics approach. Using soil with microbes + mycorrhizae added to the nutes. Mycorrhizae will be phased out during flowering as the high phosphorus environment halts fungal germination (Teaming with Fungi: The Organic Grower's Guide to Mycorrhizae by Jeff Lowenfels)   Enzymatic (Sensizym) will assist in breaking down dead root material in the soil. Any brand enzymatic that can break down cellulose will do just fine.   Agsil16H Potassium Silicate is pre-mixed at 148g per 1 gallon of water. Silica will aid plant strength/structure and also make the plants taste terrible to pests. As a side note, plants with too much nitrogen input taste sweet and delicious to pests!   Bacillus Thuringiensis subspecies Israelensis (Bti) (aka Mosquito Dunks) solution is added to the nutes to kill any larvae based pests such as gnats. Mixing Mosquito Bits into the soil is also a great idea.   Seaweed Bottled Mix Ingredients (NOT an endorsement. I purchased this with my own money) ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ - Ecklonia Maxima Kelp - Fish Hydrolysate - Blackstrap Molasses - Humic Acid / Fulvic Acid - Select Amino Acids (L-Alanine, L-Arginine, L-Aspartic, L-Cystine, L-Glutamic Acid, L-Glycine,   L-Histidine, L-Isoleucine, L-Leucine, L-Lysine, L-Methionine, L-Phenylalanine, L-Proline,   L-Threonine, L-Serine, L-Tryptophan, L-Tyrosine, L-Valine) - Calcium Phosphate - Arcanite - Sugars - Yucca Extract - Tryptic Soy Agar - Plant Hormones, Plant Growth Stimulators and Vitamins (Auxins, Cytokinins, Gibberellins,   Abscisic Acid (ABA), Adenine, Indole Acetic Acid (IAA), Adenosine, Zeatin, A (Carotene),   B1, B12, C, D, E, K, Biotin, Niacin, Choline, Pantothene, Folic Acid, Folinic Acid) ________________________________________________________________________________    I Build My Own Custom Grow LEDs https://growdiaries.com/diaries/165481-grow-journal-by-negotiatedbubble   Custom Built Modified Grow Tent Frame https://growdiaries.com/diaries/165474-grow-journal-by-negotiatedbubble   Custom Built Watering Table https://growdiaries.com/diaries/165482-grow-journal-by-negotiatedbubble   VPD Chart and Calculator spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Dta8AptwIIgo728nAu4l9acrWYWPdrljjV4uzXwGJ0Q/edit?usp=sharing   My Custom Nutrient Spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1grolLVrJLQVSdK7sdnR7dS86axWIzDgW1iWWZIFHhiA/edit?usp=sharing      
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NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubbleweek 1
Thanks Cyrus. Thanks Resinus. This is probably my 9th of 10th harvest, experience-wise. With so much BroScience™️ still floating around, I always like to question why when I do something in my grow space. I spent about 4 month straight listening to grow podcasts while doing food deliveries and also research a lot in my spare time. I have hammered out a rough process for myself and figured time to post what I have so far. Teaming with Microbes is a great fucking book. Bruce Bugbee is THE authority on how photons/wavelength/etc interact with Cannabis.
UnorthadoxDude
UnorthadoxDudeweek 2
Hey mate, loving the detail in text. I enjoy reading as I find it more informative than photos. The photos for me are the result or the metric or measure, the text is the subject at hand. :) I also like your invention with your own made kit, something I find inspiring. Can you tell us a little about your past growing experience?
UnorthadoxDude
UnorthadoxDude
@Ezzjaybruh, It's wonderful to hear you inspired to write more... I share your frustrations mentioned and will not elaborate for obvious reasons.
Ezzjaybruh
Ezzjaybruh
@UnorthadoxDude, after reading this.. makes me want to add more to my diaries than I have been lately. I just have got a bad taste in my mouth with this site of late, for many reasons I won’t go into here.. but I don’t realize ppl might be looking at my diaries for specifics to learn..
NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubble
I was searching other people's public google drives files for VPD charts. I found a copy of the pulse grow VPD chart that someone apparently converted to a Google Sheets Spreadsheet. Very nice. VPD Chart https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M9jGhBA0lc2S8NEsq3q_6Mkpd3yJwedSZ3kfxuK0ZVI/edit?usp=sharing
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gottagrowsometime
gottagrowsometimeweek 5
Very detailed diary. Good read. Good much with the rest of her!
NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubble
Thanks for that @gottagrowsometime. I trashed most of my grow equipment before moving to California and am reinventing my environmental control due to the change in local climate.
MedicineMaker
MedicineMakerweek 5
Nice LST work! I'm really enjoying reading about the details of your grow setup, very informative and helpful! 👍 Thank you my friend!
GreenGlowes
GreenGlowesweek 2
Good luck with your gro! 😎
Cyrusdavirus
Cyrusdavirusweek 1
Sounds like you have done some homework and the newbie title is just because you just started on Growdiaries. Well welcome to the neighborhood enjoy Great looking youngsters 👍 happy growing 😎🌴
amazongrow
amazongrowweek 14
wow, this an artist's diary. at first I kinda went this path but now I'm so lazy and mostly update the pics and give the viewers an overview of the week... this is much better, thank you and keep it that way! btw, nice girls... they look lovely and I would not worry about any deficiency at this stage, most of the pics I have seen seems to be senescense related. However, the space looks crowdy, you got to watch out for mold and air circulation very closely, but the new dehumidifier will help I guess. I would recommend less plants and mainlines... they get very big and horizontal spread also thriving on the stress! good luck from Brazil! =)
amazongrow
amazongrow
@NegotiatedBubble, thanks for the tip. I have started adding silicate this grow and had no issue with mold or mildew I would say, with the addOn of an AC during 35+ days of flowering. Got myself a 240W Quantum Bar now and this next grow I hope to get some much more potent buds with my new AC during flowering... Hope your new setup fixes any issues. You deserve it, very well orgnized fellow. Congrats! Tchau, do Brazil!
NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubble
@amazongrow, I live next to a cold water bay and see 68°F / 20°C with 60-70% RB days, and then 50°F / 10°C with 80-90% RH at nights. Typical A/C's are not very good at humidity control when it comes to indoor growing. This applies to drying room conditions as well. In that case, I need very cold + 60% RH, but the A/C running that much will dry the air out about 4 days into my drying session. Previously, I ran small humidifiers in my drying room after that 4 day mark. I will be tweaking this for my new climate. I reduced the LGR Dehu to 40% and managed to get the tent down to 55%. I also defoliated much of the plant to insure against mildew issues. I am going to overlay some cheap vinyl flooring on top of the existing wood floors. This should cut down the amount outside humidity entering the room. If you are not supplementing with Silica, then start now. Silica prevents a lot of mildew diseases such as Botrytis.
amazongrow
amazongrow
@NegotiatedBubble, you have a lung room? a room for air conditiong RH and stuff before sending to the tent? that should be awesome! what are your conditions on the outside world? As I grow in the Amazon, the humidity here is almost 95% outside most of the year (lots of rivers, trees, rain, etc).. once I thought about getting a lung room, but still I had to deal with the temperatures (28C almost all year around).... this time around I have used an AC from day 35+ of flower and the results were just fucking amazing! Having said that, fighting climate is a bitch and its fucking hard! =/ But as you are all organized, I believe its a battle you will win! Congrats, bro!
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Ultraviolet
Ultravioletweek 16
Loving the info, veritable bank of knowledge you are Negotiated bubble. Making your own LeDs , now that's interesting! Right up my alley. Not now though, my ass is broke from previous ideas :)
NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubble
@Ultraviolet, a lot of these new "Amazon" lights still do not have the Samsung LM301H diodes. The newer "LM301H EVO" diodes are not for beginners due to missing red spectrum (have to supplement red diodes separately). I only expect to see EVO in commercial setups. All the more reason to build my own!
Tweezer
Tweezerweek 6
Thats some of the best LST I have ever seen, nice work brother!
NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubble
@Tweezer, thanks for that. My even flowering canopy alway looks like screenless-scrog toward the end. Looking forward to posting some flowering pics soon.
Wastent91
Wastent91week 18
Yuor work are amazing for me! Yuo are a specialist in all of his part of this miracolous indoor cannabis grow! Thank yuo to exist and follow up toghether yuor ability! Thank full for all! 🙏👊😽😼😺🧑‍🌾😻💖💖
yourbestbud
yourbestbudweek 17
I like the tip on the cooking spray definitely gonna do that when my first harvest is ready. Your buds are looking amazing!
Qutro
Qutroweek 18
Those nugs look yummy.👌
HydroHerb420
HydroHerb420week 18
Wow. This is another level. So much detail. Congratulations 💚💚
Zengrower
Zengrowerweek 18
Those buds sure have bag appeal, very nice 👊
gottagrowsometime
gottagrowsometimeweek 13
Nice diary
Terp1
Terp1week 12
Ich wünsche dir eine hervorragende Ernte. Ich finde deine Arbeit beeindruckend. 💪
Terp1
Terp1week 10
Wahnsinn.... einfach nur wahnsinn 😍
resimax
resimaxweek 1
Good luck and happy growing! 😎
WhiteEdge
WhiteEdgeweek 16
Excellent diary , very informative. Harvest looking insane, those buds 😋
WhiteEdge
WhiteEdge
@NegotiatedBubble, It make wonder, i start injecting co2 from last grow and i going to continue with it..
NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubble
@WhiteEdge, not a bad yield considering there is not any CO2 injection. Next flower will have CO2.
MedicineMaker
MedicineMakerweek 17
Looks like congratulations are in order bro! 👏 Awesome work and the buds look rock solid! 👏 Thank you for all the harvesting tips as well, I'll definitely try out the PAM spray, I was using rubbing alcohol... Good points as well on the wet trimming 🙏 I'll be using what I learned from you on my 2 current grows. Best of luck on the drying and curing my friend! 👈
MedicineMaker
MedicineMaker
@NegotiatedBubble, Every grow, we be better 👊 Your harvest is beautiful one. 👏 Thank you for sharing the book, it looks like a good read. I've been wanting to check out Ed's Cannabis Growers Handbook as well. Happy drying and curing 👈
NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubble
@MedicineMaker, thanks! I learned a ton this time around and was glad to share it. I ran across the below harvesting book and was able to check out the digital version though my local library. The book has a lot of useless "filler", but still a great read toward the end.     Marijuana Harvest: How to Maximize Quality and Yield in Your Cannabis Garden, by Ed Rosenthal, David Downs