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NegotiatedBubble NegotiatedBubble
2 years ago
    Grow Goals Week 5 of Flower ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ 🌦️ VPD of 1.2-1.5 kPa for Early Flower 🌙 Diurnal Temp Difference of 10°F / 5°C 🌦️ Minimum Air Movement 0.8 m/S    🔆 Maximum Light Infiltration 🔆 Maintain DLI at 40 (Daily Light Integral) for Early Flower    🚫 No Mycorrhizae 🚫 No Microbes ⬇️️ Reduce Sugars    🚜 Remove "Grow Backs" 🚜 Light Defoliation    🔎 Pest Inspection 🔎 Nutrient Deficiency Inspection 🔎 Plant Happiness Inspection _____________________________________          🚜  Canopy Control for Too Many Nodes    ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ I have updated my Grow Process for late veg to include better canopy planning for the number of nodes per plant. I am using larger fabric pots this grow, and I am inexperienced on how to fill them out.    Removing sucker branches this late has likely stressed the plants. My updated grow process for next time will be to “lollipop” only the sucker branches, while most leaves stay in place. Exceptions to this rule will be any leaf removal that achieves air flow under the plants, reduces the number of places for pests to hide, or provides better access for my watering wand. See Week 6 for details on why I have decided to minimize the amount of lollipopping that I perform.    Any previously removed bottom buds that have attempted to grow back are also removed again in this week of flower. I do not want the plant to expend any more energy on extra popcorn buds. Besides, there will be plenty of these around after I accidentally snip a few colas in half during trimming!    Since the branches grew too close to the lights, I am using Metal Plant Props to control the canopy, which has mostly evened out. These plant props are the other half of my LST arsenal. This amount of LST this late in flower is not favorable, but my colas are now getting optimal DLI and will ripen at the same (according to each strain’s genetics). Even a small 10 cm difference in height can mean a loss of 100 PPFD, or around 8-10% in light intensity!      18 in. H x 1.50 in. W Steel Plant Prop     https://www.homedepot.com/p/Vigoro-18-in-H-x-1-50-in-W-Steel-Plant-Prop-611872-HD/100584404#overlay      Week 12 Canopy   https://growdiaries.com/diaries/165223-grow-journal-by-negotiatebubble#gallery=6962253         🌦️  Additional Vent Added to Lung Room    ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ I have added a second passive vent to the door of the Lung Room. As mentioned in Week 11, I now have the Lung Room fan pulling cool air from the hallway, while the hot air exits the room passively through vents in the door.    See weeks 6 and 7 to catch up on details about my Lung Room.       🚜  Reduce Sugars and No Microbes    ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ Plants DO NOT uptake sugars. Rather, they send sugars down to the soil where microbes feed on these sugars, mine the nutrients that are locked away in the soil, and then these unlocked nutrients are then ready to go back up to the plants. Fertilizers bypass the need for microbes since their nutrients are already unlocked and available to the plants. So why use microbes when using fertilizer? Micronutrients. If a micronutrient becomes scarce, the microbes will act as a safety net. Perhaps a set of genetics is more hungry for a specific mineral, for example.    This week, sugars are being reduced for the same reason that we are no longer adding microbes: avoid feeding too much nitrogen at this stage of flower. The soil microbes are more than happy to keep supplying that N, so we need the microbe activity to calm down by providing less food (sugars) to them.    Teaming with Microbes is a great book to find out more about the soil food web. Fun fact, plants alter the types of sugars that are released in order to steer different kinds of bacterial activity below the soil.     Jeff Lownfels, “Teaming with Microbes: The Organic Gardener’s Guide to the Soil Food Web”   www.jefflowenfels.com/books-by-jeff-lownfels         🌦️  Minimum Air Movement 0.8 m/s    ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ Wind speed should be at least 0.8 meters per second at the canopy. See Week 8 for how I measure air flow. I have observed that the leaves need to be only slightly moving to achieve 0.8 m/s. I have 3 cheap box fans bolted together to cool my lights at the top of the tent and this is more than enough air flow without using canopy fans.    A few small fans blowing underneath the canopy have been added to prevent mold and mildew. These fans are plugged into a cycle timer that turns on every 3 minutes for a duration of 10 seconds. This will prevent the fans from beating the crap out of nearby leaves. If you do not have any air flow in your grow space by week 5 of flower, then now is the time to correct this.        🚜  Water + CalMag In Between Feedings    ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ The maturing buds have developed quite a thirst. I am feeding nutrients twice per week and now have started watering in between those feedings. I am still adding CalMag to pH’s water. Next week, I will start decreasing the humidity in the grow space. Less humidity will increase the water transpiration, further increasing the thirst.         🔎  Pest Inspection    ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ I am enjoying being pest free since closing the lung room door. I will continue to use yellow sticky traps to monitor for any infestation.       🔎  Nutrient Deficiency Inspection    ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ Some deficiency symptoms have appeared on #2 and #6. Let’s troubleshoot:    First, let’s look at any changes in my grow process during the past few weeks or compared to my last grow. I am using a new brand of organic soil this grow. Happy Frog soil is higher in Potassium than my previous soil, aeration is far better, and has a slightly higher acidic pH. I have also recently begun adding Magnesium Sulfate to the nutrient solution along with the CalMag. As visualized in Mulder’s chart, too much Magnesium can block uptake (antagonize) both Calcium and Potassium:      Mulder’s Chart   https://irp-cdn.multiscreensite.com/e10f0411/dms3rep/multi/mulders.png    Second, let’s look at the pH. Incorrect pH will lock out nutrients even if they are all present. I calibrate my pH meter before each feeding and I have recently increased nutrient solution pH to 6.3 (previously 6.2 pH). When testing the nutrient run off, input was 6.3 pH and run off for all plants was around 5.95 pH. What about overfeeding? Below are the testing results measuring (I happen to use EC instead of PPM) nutrient strength.    When testing the nutrient run off with an nutrient input of 3.95 EC, the increased runoff EC is below. #6 looks decent. #2 matches a few other ones, but is a different strain and has a history of deficiencies alongside other plants that did not exhibit the symptoms. During week 4, both #2 and #6 started to exhibit CalMag deficiency symptoms when the other strains were fine. I am now confident that the additional nutrient hunger in W4 was genetic.    #1   +0.92 EC #2   +1.41 EC #3   +1.41 EC #4   +1.49 EC #5   +1.07 EC #6   +0.92 EC    Third, let’s look at the visual symptoms. Most people jump to this prematurely. For leaves on #2, I see dark spots along the veins of a leaf. One leaf is coarse and twisted just a bit. Yellowing has begun on another leaf. #2 visually appears to be Magnesium deficient. On #6, I see dark spaces between the veins of the leaf. The underside of the petioles are red. #6 visually appears to be Phosphorus deficient. #3 might have early stage Calcium deficiency as I am seeing golden orange spots appear.   #2 Symptoms   https://growdiaries.com/diaries/165223-grow-journal-by-negotiatebubble#gallery=6977168      #4 Symptoms   https://growdiaries.com/diaries/165223-grow-journal-by-negotiatebubble#gallery=6977169      #6 Symptoms   https://growdiaries.com/diaries/165223-grow-journal-by-negotiatebubble#gallery=6977170    I use the below sites for visual troubleshooting. Despite seeing a ton of advertising for the author lately, The Cannabis Encyclopedia actually has some of the best photo examples and graphics for troubleshooting in my opinion. He authored a lot of growing content before modern legalization (my very first grow book, for example). Also, GWE’s “Plant Doctor” site also has many photos as well.      The Cannabis Encyclopedia   https://marijuanagrowing.com/nutrients-chapter-21/      Plant Doctor   https://www.growweedeasy.com/cannabis-symptoms-pictures    #3 and #6 deficiencies are likely too much Magnesium. I will be stopping the Magnesium Sulfate, performing a maintenance flush, and then feeding with full strength solution again after the flush (minus the Magnesium Sulfate). #2 appears to be Phosphorus deficiency. I will react by slightly increasing Phosphorus, but this is an ongoing investigation.      🔎  Plant Happiness Inspection    ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ #4 has two suspect leaves, but is happy otherwise. I am undecided on whether the spots on the leaves are a physical defect of some kind, so I am not ready to list this as a nutrient related issue. None of the other leaves have these visual symptoms and the markings are irregular.      ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________      Fabric pots to prevent root binding.   I am taking the Syn-ganics approach. Using soil with microbes + mycorrhizae added to the nutes. Mycorrhizae will be phased out during flowering as the high phosphorus environment halts fungal germination (Teaming with Fungi: The Organic Grower's Guide to Mycorrhizae by Jeff Lowenfels)   Enzymatic (Sensizym) will assist in breaking down dead root material in the soil. Any brand enzymatic that can break down cellulose will do just fine.   Agsil16H Potassium Silicate is pre-mixed at 148g per 1 gallon of water. Silica will aid plant strength/structure and also make the plants taste terrible to pests. As a side note, plants with too much nitrogen input taste sweet and delicious to pests!   Bacillus Thuringiensis subspecies Israelensis (Bti) (aka Mosquito Dunks) solution is added to the nutes to kill any larvae based pests such as gnats. Mixing Mosquito Bits into the soil is also a great idea.   Seaweed Bottled Mix Ingredients (NOT an endorsement. I purchased this with my own money) ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾ - Ecklonia Maxima Kelp - Fish Hydrolysate - Blackstrap Molasses - Humic Acid / Fulvic Acid - Select Amino Acids (L-Alanine, L-Arginine, L-Aspartic, L-Cystine, L-Glutamic Acid, L-Glycine,   L-Histidine, L-Isoleucine, L-Leucine, L-Lysine, L-Methionine, L-Phenylalanine, L-Proline,   L-Threonine, L-Serine, L-Tryptophan, L-Tyrosine, L-Valine) - Calcium Phosphate - Arcanite - Sugars - Yucca Extract - Tryptic Soy Agar - Plant Hormones, Plant Growth Stimulators and Vitamins (Auxins, Cytokinins, Gibberellins,   Abscisic Acid (ABA), Adenine, Indole Acetic Acid (IAA), Adenosine, Zeatin, A (Carotene),   B1, B12, C, D, E, K, Biotin, Niacin, Choline, Pantothene, Folic Acid, Folinic Acid) ________________________________________________________________________________    I Build My Own Custom Grow LEDs https://growdiaries.com/diaries/165481-grow-journal-by-negotiatedbubble   Custom Built Modified Grow Tent Frame https://growdiaries.com/diaries/165474-grow-journal-by-negotiatedbubble   Custom Built Watering Table https://growdiaries.com/diaries/165482-grow-journal-by-negotiatedbubble   VPD Chart and Calculator spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Dta8AptwIIgo728nAu4l9acrWYWPdrljjV4uzXwGJ0Q/edit?usp=sharing   My Custom Nutrient Spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1grolLVrJLQVSdK7sdnR7dS86axWIzDgW1iWWZIFHhiA/edit?usp=sharing    
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NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubbleweek 1
Thanks Cyrus. Thanks Resinus. This is probably my 9th of 10th harvest, experience-wise. With so much BroScience™️ still floating around, I always like to question why when I do something in my grow space. I spent about 4 month straight listening to grow podcasts while doing food deliveries and also research a lot in my spare time. I have hammered out a rough process for myself and figured time to post what I have so far. Teaming with Microbes is a great fucking book. Bruce Bugbee is THE authority on how photons/wavelength/etc interact with Cannabis.
UnorthadoxDude
UnorthadoxDudeweek 2
Hey mate, loving the detail in text. I enjoy reading as I find it more informative than photos. The photos for me are the result or the metric or measure, the text is the subject at hand. :) I also like your invention with your own made kit, something I find inspiring. Can you tell us a little about your past growing experience?
UnorthadoxDude
UnorthadoxDude
@Ezzjaybruh, It's wonderful to hear you inspired to write more... I share your frustrations mentioned and will not elaborate for obvious reasons.
Ezzjaybruh
Ezzjaybruh
@UnorthadoxDude, after reading this.. makes me want to add more to my diaries than I have been lately. I just have got a bad taste in my mouth with this site of late, for many reasons I won’t go into here.. but I don’t realize ppl might be looking at my diaries for specifics to learn..
NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubble
I was searching other people's public google drives files for VPD charts. I found a copy of the pulse grow VPD chart that someone apparently converted to a Google Sheets Spreadsheet. Very nice. VPD Chart https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M9jGhBA0lc2S8NEsq3q_6Mkpd3yJwedSZ3kfxuK0ZVI/edit?usp=sharing
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gottagrowsometime
gottagrowsometimeweek 5
Very detailed diary. Good read. Good much with the rest of her!
NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubble
Thanks for that @gottagrowsometime. I trashed most of my grow equipment before moving to California and am reinventing my environmental control due to the change in local climate.
MedicineMaker
MedicineMakerweek 5
Nice LST work! I'm really enjoying reading about the details of your grow setup, very informative and helpful! 👍 Thank you my friend!
GreenGlowes
GreenGlowesweek 2
Good luck with your gro! 😎
Cyrusdavirus
Cyrusdavirusweek 1
Sounds like you have done some homework and the newbie title is just because you just started on Growdiaries. Well welcome to the neighborhood enjoy Great looking youngsters 👍 happy growing 😎🌴
amazongrow
amazongrowweek 14
wow, this an artist's diary. at first I kinda went this path but now I'm so lazy and mostly update the pics and give the viewers an overview of the week... this is much better, thank you and keep it that way! btw, nice girls... they look lovely and I would not worry about any deficiency at this stage, most of the pics I have seen seems to be senescense related. However, the space looks crowdy, you got to watch out for mold and air circulation very closely, but the new dehumidifier will help I guess. I would recommend less plants and mainlines... they get very big and horizontal spread also thriving on the stress! good luck from Brazil! =)
amazongrow
amazongrow
@NegotiatedBubble, thanks for the tip. I have started adding silicate this grow and had no issue with mold or mildew I would say, with the addOn of an AC during 35+ days of flowering. Got myself a 240W Quantum Bar now and this next grow I hope to get some much more potent buds with my new AC during flowering... Hope your new setup fixes any issues. You deserve it, very well orgnized fellow. Congrats! Tchau, do Brazil!
NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubble
@amazongrow, I live next to a cold water bay and see 68°F / 20°C with 60-70% RB days, and then 50°F / 10°C with 80-90% RH at nights. Typical A/C's are not very good at humidity control when it comes to indoor growing. This applies to drying room conditions as well. In that case, I need very cold + 60% RH, but the A/C running that much will dry the air out about 4 days into my drying session. Previously, I ran small humidifiers in my drying room after that 4 day mark. I will be tweaking this for my new climate. I reduced the LGR Dehu to 40% and managed to get the tent down to 55%. I also defoliated much of the plant to insure against mildew issues. I am going to overlay some cheap vinyl flooring on top of the existing wood floors. This should cut down the amount outside humidity entering the room. If you are not supplementing with Silica, then start now. Silica prevents a lot of mildew diseases such as Botrytis.
amazongrow
amazongrow
@NegotiatedBubble, you have a lung room? a room for air conditiong RH and stuff before sending to the tent? that should be awesome! what are your conditions on the outside world? As I grow in the Amazon, the humidity here is almost 95% outside most of the year (lots of rivers, trees, rain, etc).. once I thought about getting a lung room, but still I had to deal with the temperatures (28C almost all year around).... this time around I have used an AC from day 35+ of flower and the results were just fucking amazing! Having said that, fighting climate is a bitch and its fucking hard! =/ But as you are all organized, I believe its a battle you will win! Congrats, bro!
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Ultraviolet
Ultravioletweek 16
Loving the info, veritable bank of knowledge you are Negotiated bubble. Making your own LeDs , now that's interesting! Right up my alley. Not now though, my ass is broke from previous ideas :)
NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubble
@Ultraviolet, a lot of these new "Amazon" lights still do not have the Samsung LM301H diodes. The newer "LM301H EVO" diodes are not for beginners due to missing red spectrum (have to supplement red diodes separately). I only expect to see EVO in commercial setups. All the more reason to build my own!
Tweezer
Tweezerweek 6
Thats some of the best LST I have ever seen, nice work brother!
NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubble
@Tweezer, thanks for that. My even flowering canopy alway looks like screenless-scrog toward the end. Looking forward to posting some flowering pics soon.
Wastent91
Wastent91week 18
Yuor work are amazing for me! Yuo are a specialist in all of his part of this miracolous indoor cannabis grow! Thank yuo to exist and follow up toghether yuor ability! Thank full for all! 🙏👊😽😼😺🧑‍🌾😻💖💖
yourbestbud
yourbestbudweek 17
I like the tip on the cooking spray definitely gonna do that when my first harvest is ready. Your buds are looking amazing!
Qutro
Qutroweek 18
Those nugs look yummy.👌
HydroHerb420
HydroHerb420week 18
Wow. This is another level. So much detail. Congratulations 💚💚
Zengrower
Zengrowerweek 18
Those buds sure have bag appeal, very nice 👊
gottagrowsometime
gottagrowsometimeweek 13
Nice diary
Terp1
Terp1week 12
Ich wünsche dir eine hervorragende Ernte. Ich finde deine Arbeit beeindruckend. 💪
Terp1
Terp1week 10
Wahnsinn.... einfach nur wahnsinn 😍
resimax
resimaxweek 1
Good luck and happy growing! 😎
WhiteEdge
WhiteEdgeweek 16
Excellent diary , very informative. Harvest looking insane, those buds 😋
WhiteEdge
WhiteEdge
@NegotiatedBubble, It make wonder, i start injecting co2 from last grow and i going to continue with it..
NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubble
@WhiteEdge, not a bad yield considering there is not any CO2 injection. Next flower will have CO2.
MedicineMaker
MedicineMakerweek 17
Looks like congratulations are in order bro! 👏 Awesome work and the buds look rock solid! 👏 Thank you for all the harvesting tips as well, I'll definitely try out the PAM spray, I was using rubbing alcohol... Good points as well on the wet trimming 🙏 I'll be using what I learned from you on my 2 current grows. Best of luck on the drying and curing my friend! 👈
MedicineMaker
MedicineMaker
@NegotiatedBubble, Every grow, we be better 👊 Your harvest is beautiful one. 👏 Thank you for sharing the book, it looks like a good read. I've been wanting to check out Ed's Cannabis Growers Handbook as well. Happy drying and curing 👈
NegotiatedBubble
NegotiatedBubble
@MedicineMaker, thanks! I learned a ton this time around and was glad to share it. I ran across the below harvesting book and was able to check out the digital version though my local library. The book has a lot of useless "filler", but still a great read toward the end.     Marijuana Harvest: How to Maximize Quality and Yield in Your Cannabis Garden, by Ed Rosenthal, David Downs